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[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

Is Labour going to turn the country around

  • Yes

    Votes: 142 26.9%
  • No

    Votes: 319 60.4%
  • Fence

    Votes: 67 12.7%

  • Total voters
    528


TomandJerry

Well-known member
Oct 1, 2013
12,834
Trending back up

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pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
7,011
A rise was expected, as you say.

The rise was "more than expected" according to that quote. Which was also the broad view from those 5Live pulled in to discuss this earlier.
Yes, it was expected/forecast to be 3.3%, but came in at 3.5%, not a big difference, but I think it can be seen to a bigger issue when inflation concerns are still pressing. Core inflation similarly above the forecast...

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fly high

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2011
2,370
in a house
A rise was expected, as you say.

The rise was "more than expected" according to that quote. Which was also the broad view from those 5Live pulled in to discuss this earlier.
I must have been one of the few who expected 3.5% and I 'm no economist.
 




abc

Well-known member
Jan 6, 2007
1,608
Those pesky water bills! Who privatised water FFS!

Anyway, you need to make as much hay out of this as you can as it's only temporary.

Inflation may sit above 3% for some months - but economists say effects likely temporary. BBC

Go!

That’s the problem with people such as yourself that see everything through the prism of party politics.

You talk about ‘making hay’ but the real point is that this is bad for the economy, bad for business and bad for everyone - especially those on the lowest incomes.

I don’t give a t*ss what colour the chancellor is but I would like one with a basic grasp of economics and (god forbid) with a smattering of social conscience.
 




dsr-burnley

Well-known member
Aug 15, 2014
2,991


carlzeiss

Well-known member
May 19, 2009
6,452
Amazonia
This should be reassuring news for Sir Kier as another man has been arrested for suspected arson on his properties .
It's a tough enough job turning the country around after 14 years of the Tories and brexit and the last he needs right now is concerns over his personal safety so good work from the police investigating these crimes
By coincidence it seems all 3 suspects have been reported to have been Ukrainian born with 2 being builders and aspiring models . No news yet over the occupation of the 3rd man arrested today so best not to speculate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg78zw7yqyo
 


pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
7,011
This should be reassuring news for Sir Kier as another man has been arrested for suspected arson on his properties .
It's a tough enough job turning the country around after 14 years of the Tories and brexit and the last he needs right now is concerns over his personal safety so good work from the police investigating these crimes
By coincidence it seems all 3 suspects have been reported to have been Ukrainian born with 2 being builders and aspiring models . No news yet over the occupation of the 3rd man arrested today so best not to speculate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg78zw7yqyo
On this issue, I see that Musk's minions are drawing their own conclusions [deleted]

Are we allowed to say what Musk's minions think the latest conspiracy is?
 








Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
58,895
Back in Sussex
Yes, it was expected/forecast to be 3.3%, but came in at 3.5%, not a big difference, but I think it can be seen to a bigger issue when inflation concerns are still pressing. Core inflation similarly above the forecast...

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I was merely correcting the "Really not sure why it was unexpected" comment. I'm not trying to score petty political points - I'll wait for the WFA U-turn for that.

A rise in inflation was absolutely expected. But not quite as high as has been recorded.
 




Mellor 3 Ward 4

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2004
10,592
saaf of the water
Those pesky water bills! Who privatised water FFS!

Anyway, you need to make as much hay out of this as you can as it's only temporary.

Inflation may sit above 3% for some months - but economists say effects likely temporary. BBC

Go!
As you say, it's (partially) temporary - especially the water (and energy) bills and higher Airfares due to a late Easter.

I think the point here is that whilst the Govt. have done nothing to increase inflation this month (so can't be blamed) they did nothing to bring it down in the last couple of months either, so shouldn't have tried to take credit (as they did)

Works both ways.
 


ROSM

Well-known member
Dec 26, 2005
7,641
Just far enough away from LDC
I was merely correcting the "Really not sure why it was unexpected" comment. I'm not trying to score petty political points - I'll wait for the WFA U-turn for that.

A rise in inflation was absolutely expected. But not quite as high as has been recorded.
Agreed totally. Just like growth was unexpectedly higher, this too is higher than envisaged. Whether it's a trend will take a few months to work out.

The wfa u-turn as commented in the media yesterday (and confirmed at PMQs today) seems to be amending the threshold.

It has been a policy failure. I only hope that they revision is clear about what it is, what it isn't and how it will continue to be reviewed
 






Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
16,730
Cumbria
Agreed totally. Just like growth was unexpectedly higher, this too is higher than envisaged. Whether it's a trend will take a few months to work out.

The wfa u-turn as commented in the media yesterday (and confirmed at PMQs today) seems to be amending the threshold.

It has been a policy failure. I only hope that they revision is clear about what it is, what it isn't and how it will continue to be reviewed

Talking of 'turning around'.

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It's not a U-Turn though is it. It's amending the threshold after further consideration. A u-turn would be to completely scrap the scrapping.
 


Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
58,895
Back in Sussex
It's not a U-Turn though is it. It's amending the threshold after further consideration. A u-turn would be to completely scrap the scrapping.
They refused, repeatedly, to make such a change despite widespread calls from many organisations and charities that work to support the very poorest in our society, including the elderly who were hit by this.

The change they implemented, we were told, was the right one.

The change they implemented, we were told, would not leave anyone in hardship.

Only now, after taking an absolute battering at the ballot box, is this cruel and needless policy getting the attention it deserves.

Starmer's "Country first, party second" mantra has been proven to be a load of utter bollocks.
 




Mellor 3 Ward 4

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2004
10,592
saaf of the water




Tubby Mondays

Well-known member
Dec 8, 2005
3,216
A Crack House
That’s the problem with people such as yourself that see everything through the prism of party politics.

You talk about ‘making hay’ but the real point is that this is bad for the economy, bad for business and bad for everyone - especially those on the lowest incomes.

I don’t give a t*ss what colour the chancellor is but I would like one with a basic grasp of economics and (god forbid) with a smattering of social conscience.
Is it though?

The decision to privatise utilities, including water, was a party political decision. It wasnt made to benefit customers but to make money for investors, whether they be Dave and Doris Middle England or whichever financial institutions you want to name.

This meant that rather than re-investing profits back into the service they went to those investors.

Now when youve got turds and jam rags in your rivers and washing up on your beaches and leaks because the pipes were put in when Queen Victoria was a virgin , the companies have to 'pass on the costs' to, you cant even say customers or consumers because people have got a choice but to need that service. The 'investors' arent asked for any cash back from their payouts are they?

Is that the fault of the current chancellor?!

Or is the fault of the party politics that privatised everything in the first place to make a quick quid for themselves and their mates?
 




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