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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
60,209
Faversham
Anything that moves us closer to the biggest trading bloc in the world is good news. However, I cant see much of substance in what has been announced thus far. But however minimal the benefits may be, its a start. The Tories and Reform obviously wouldn't have achieved even this, so its a well done by Starmer from me (I'm not his biggest fan thus far but credit where it is due)
Between you who thinks this will have no impact, and Farage who claims we have been sold down the river, lies the truth, one would imagine.

However, there can never be 'time controls' in a history experiment, meaning anyone can claim anything about cause and effect.

Part of the reason I decided the 'humanities' was a mugs game where he who shouts loudest 'wins'. :shrug:
 




Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
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Are you suggesting that it was just Tory voters who brought about Brexit?
No, I'm just saying that whatever the government does in trying to bring about relations with the mainland that are good for everyone, the Tories will be waving their empirical flag in the hope of out Faraging the Reform Party.

When it comes to these things the government should just get on with it and ignore them.
 


Flounce

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Nov 15, 2006
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No, I'm just saying that whatever the government does in trying to bring about relations with the mainland that are good for everyone, the Tories will be waving their empirical flag in the hope of out Faraging the Reform Party.

When it comes to these things the government should just get on with it and ignore them.
Quite, these are a good move by the Government imo
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
55,889
Surrey
Being bent over a barrel by Brussels doesn't help.
No, no, no that can't be right. We held all the cards - all those German car firms wouldn't risk upsetting us as we're so lucrative to them, remember?



I must admit, I'd be embarrassed to admit I voted for Brexit, but then I wasn't stupid enough to believe the bullshit in the first place. Imagine thinking all those posh Tory boy gimps were political titans worth listening to in the first place. :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol:
 


nevergoagain

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Jul 28, 2005
1,829
nowhere near Burgess Hill
Well that's sovereignty for you :thumbsup:

The EU separate UK citizens to make sure we don't overstay the 90 day limit that we voted to put on ourselves :facepalm:
The same rule as we have for EU citizens visiting the UK but that we don't push them into the rest of the world queue. Courtesy I would call it but of course you have a totally different agenda and always after an excuse to post some more pointless emojis.
 




Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
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No, no, no that can't be right. We held all the cards - all those German car firms wouldn't risk upsetting us as we're so lucrative to them, remember?



I must admit, I'd be embarrassed to admit I voted for Brexit, but then I wasn't stupid enough to believe the bullshit in the first place. Imagine thinking all those posh Tory boy gimps were political titans worth listening to in the first place. :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol:
I've never been crictical of anyone who voted BREXIT, except maybe for the really dumb reasons, you know, bendy bananas and all that. I was a reluctant remainer.

But I would say that we have a lot in common with the mainland and a lot to unite on. In the current world it is not good to be alone. I was really hoping that BREXIT, as much as it is set in stone, could be put behind us and something could be worked out so we were part of things again in some independent way.

I'm glad we are re-joining the Erasmus programme. A couple of friends who are teachers will be celebrating that today.
 


Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
31,646
Between you who thinks this will have no impact, and Farage who claims we have been sold down the river, lies the truth, one would imagine.

However, there can never be 'time controls' in a history experiment, meaning anyone can claim anything about cause and effect.

Part of the reason I decided the 'humanities' was a mugs game where he who shouts loudest 'wins'. :shrug:
Ok, so given Trump is on Russia's side re Ukraine and NATO is hanging by a thread, what part of the security element of today's agreement lies in the spectrum between "no impact" and "sold down the river"? From the BBC:

Defence and security​

  • A formal UK-EU defence and security pact has been established
  • UK and EU officials will meet every six months to talk about defence and foreign policy
  • Both sides will coordinate on sanctions, share more information and develop a space-related security policy
  • The government says the agreement "paves the way" for UK-based arms firms to access the Security Action for Europe (Safe) - a £150bn EU fund providing loans for defence projects
 


WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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The same rule as we have for EU citizens visiting the UK but that we don't push them into the rest of the world queue. Courtesy I would call it but of course you have a totally different agenda and always after an excuse to post some more pointless emojis.

Quite apart from the fact that you are totally wrong yet again, EU visitors can stay in the UK for up to 6 months as standard visitors :facepalm:

The real reason we operate as we do is to save money as E-gates are far cheaper to operate than actually employing passport/customs staff and that's all important since Brexit, Farage, Johnson, Truss and co have crashed the economy. Courtesy ? :lolol: :lolol: :lolol:
 




Blue3

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Jan 27, 2014
6,030
Lancing
Finally we have grown ups running the country and today’s UK/EU deal is an incredible achievement lifting a little bit of the of the awful relations with our nearest and biggest trading partners allowing British meats and fish products to easily be exported.
The deal also releases £150 billion EU investments in military production that Britain can now take advantage of.
This strengthens Europe in a world of unstable former allies in the face of Russian aggression.
Easing of travel restrictions hopefully the end of the endless queueing at passport controls.
I am really happy this is the start of a much better relationship with our European friends with hopefully more to come
 


Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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Finally we have grown ups running the country and today’s UK/EU deal is an incredible achievement lifting a little bit of the of the awful relations with our nearest and biggest trading partners allowing British meats and fish products to easily be exported.
The deal also releases £150 billion EU investments in military production that Britain can now take advantage of.
This strengthens Europe in a world of unstable former allies in the face of Russian aggression.
Easing of travel restrictions hopefully the end of the endless queueing at passport controls.
I am really happy this is the start of a much better relationship with our European friends with hopefully more to come

Underlined in a brilliant BBC prog last night Scandinavia with Simon Reeve, this time in Finland. There was a long passage about their threat from Russia and their readiness. We're stronger as one in as many ways as possible.
 






nevergoagain

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Jul 28, 2005
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Quite apart from the fact that you are totally wrong yet again, EU visitors can stay in the UK for up to 6 months as standard visitors :facepalm:

The real reason we operate as we do is to save money as E-gates are far cheaper to operate than actually employing passport/customs staff and that's all important since Brexit, Farage, Johnson, Truss and co have crashed the economy. Courtesy ? :lolol: :lolol: :lolol:
90 days/6 months, it's the same premise but you're as always choosing to nit pick and post another emoji.

So why then if it's cheaper to operate e-gates are the EU pushing the UK visitors through the manned posts, are you saying they enjoy wasting money ?. Why would they force us through manned posts as we all experienced during our Europa adventure rather than allowing us to use the e-gates.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

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Oct 8, 2003
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Ok, so given Trump is on Russia's side re Ukraine and NATO is hanging by a thread, what part of the security element of today's agreement lies in the spectrum between "no impact" and "sold down the river"? From the BBC:

Defence and security​

  • A formal UK-EU defence and security pact has been established
  • UK and EU officials will meet every six months to talk about defence and foreign policy
  • Both sides will coordinate on sanctions, share more information and develop a space-related security policy
  • The government says the agreement "paves the way" for UK-based arms firms to access the Security Action for Europe (Safe) - a £150bn EU fund providing loans for defence projects
Sounds good. 'No impact' and 'sold down the river' are two points on a triangle.
The third is 'correct response and plan'.
The latter seems to be the Starmer way.
Infuriating both left and right.
I like it :lolol:
 
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WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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90 days/6 months, it's the same premise but you're as always choosing to nit pick and post another emoji.

So why then if it's cheaper to operate e-gates are the EU pushing the UK visitors through the manned posts, are you saying they enjoy wasting money ?. Why would they force us through manned posts as we all experienced during our Europa adventure rather than allowing us to use the e-gates.

I don't know, maybe you're right. Maybe it is all about petty vindictiveness and not protecting borders, multi billion pound economies and complex trade negotiations :lolol:
 








Deportivo Seagull

I should coco
Jul 22, 2003
6,005
Mid Sussex
90 days/6 months, it's the same premise but you're as always choosing to nit pick and post another emoji.

So why then if it's cheaper to operate e-gates are the EU pushing the UK visitors through the manned posts, are you saying they enjoy wasting money ?. Why would they force us through manned posts as we all experienced during our Europa adventure rather than allowing us to use the e-gates.
Because it doesn’t cost the EU anything to push UK visitors through the rest of world posts. Why would they spend money addressing the issue for uk passports and e gates when we f***ed them off. it works in our favour as already mentioned it doesn’t for the EU.
 
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Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
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The Government should take on board NSC opinions before committing us imo!
Yes they should.

But there was no need for Sir Keir to call me at 6am this morning asking about the Erasmus thing. I told him about that last week.
 




WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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So why can we magically fix it now all of a sudden ? or are you just being your usual contrary odious self.

Because we allowed Johnson to negotiate the deal and this wasn't in it. It's now been renegotiated :facepalm:

What is it about this thread that people insist on embarrassing themselves on it. (I'm going to run out of emojis at this rate so I've had to start rationing them) :lolol:
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
55,889
Surrey
So why can we magically fix it now all of a sudden ? or are you just being your usual contrary odious self.
I get that you're wound up by his silly emojis, but regardless of that, his points are well made. You seem to be insisting it is all down to petty vindictiveness, when an alternative reality has been patiently explained to you by others.
 


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