[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[The Clamp]

I don't think they are genuinely interested.

I think you’re spot on.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I suspect most Reform voters don’t know why they support them let alone wonder why people support Labour.

Indeed. Voting preferences and reasons should be personal.....and not up for scrutiny, justification nor analysis.

 

[BadFish]

I suspect most Reform voters don’t know why they support them let alone wonder why people support Labour.

They support them because the standard of living is killing people. No one can afford to buy a house , wages are shit and no one has got much money.

Most importantly they vote for them because a cartel of billionaires who pay f*** all tax have persuaded them that the above isn't because said cartel has all the money and continues to get more. It is, in fact, because of a brown fella who gave away his life's savings to get on a lilo and cross the English channel.

Of course one has to reiterate here that they absolutely do not buy this bollocks because they are thick or racist.

And anyone pointing this out is woke, patronising and 'chewing on dungaree straps' (whatever that means ).

 

[BadFish]

Indeed. Voting preferences and reasons should be personal.....and not up for scrutiny, justification nor analysis.

They are, that is why no-one on this thread who votes for or supports Reform has had a crack and telling anyone why

 

[BadFish]

It's Farage the person I dislike intensely. He's a sleaze and anyone who cosies up to Trump like he does is not to be trusted. I waded into this one as a response to a lot of people instantly smearing 4m+ people in this country as thick/racist, that for me fails to understand what people are thinking and why.

I think I do understand what they are thinking, I also think they are wrong to place the blame where they do.

I know that in this day and age we have to pander to the snowflakes and we should be quite so rude or blunt when describing people so maybe we shouldn't call hem 'thick'. Other adjectives are available for those of a sensitive nature.

 

[worthingweird]

I see Mr flip flop is at it again...

 

[BadFish]

I see Mr flip flop is at it again...

What has Farage done now?

 

[worthingweird]

Ha ha classic...

 

[WATFORD zero]

I think I do understand what they are thinking, I also think they are wrong to place the blame where they do.

I know that in this day and age we have to pander to the snowflakes and we should be quite so rude or blunt when describing people so maybe we shouldn't call hem 'thick'. Other adjectives are available for those of a sensitive nature.

It is quite amusing how two of the most ardent defenders of Farage and Reform on here either wouldn't vote for him or don't believe in discussing reasons for voting.

I do wonder why they constantly feel the need to speak on behalf of 'others'

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It is quite amusing how two of the most ardent defenders of Farage and Reform on here either wouldn't vote for him or don't believe in discussing reasons for voting.

I do wonder why they constantly feel the need to speak on behalf of 'others'

Or why the discussion seems to be either Reform or Labour. I think the majority of NSC voters didn't vote for either last year.
Why is it, when a politician does something ludicrous, and it’s pointed out, the ’defenders’ come back with tropes like woke (yawn) or leftwaffe (yes, I’ve been called that), or lefty loonies.

If people are going to complain about name calling, let it be consistent.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I wonder why they constantly feel the need to speak on behalf of 'others'

 

[Seasider78]

They support them because the standard of living is killing people. No one can afford to buy a house , wages are shit and no one has got much money.

Most importantly they vote for them because a cartel of billionaires who pay f*** all tax have persuaded them that the above isn't because said cartel has all the money and continues to get more. It is, in fact, because of a brown fella who gave away his life's savings to get on a lilo and cross the English channel.

Of course one has to reiterate here that they absolutely do not buy this bollocks because they are thick or racist.

And anyone pointing this out is woke, patronising and 'chewing on dungaree straps' (whatever that means ).

There is a lot of truth in this and the standard of living has been hugely eroded over the last 20 years. In 1999 I purchased a 2 bedroom terraced house for 55k with my partner and we both had entry level office jobs. We afforded holidays, few nights out a week and lived ok. Today that same job I had pays £10k more than 1999 and the house is now £300k. I don’t know even where I would start if I was coming into the market in 2025 and I think it’s a depressing outlook for our young which in itself is a national scandal.

People are desperate and voting for anything that can shake up the system and deliver some change for their lives and the grifters of reform and brexit campaign prey on them for their own selfish interests and advancement.

The truth is this country is broken and peoples living standards are collateral damage in a political system that is self serving. Not sure any of them have the answers to the problems we are all facing but won’t knock people’s desperation for something better.

 

[highflyer]

Indeed. Voting preferences and reasons should be personal.....and not up for scrutiny, justification nor analysis.

First part of that...well duh! Of course personal voting preferences are (by definition) personal!

Second part of that is just fundamentally stupid. You think nobody should ever be challenged or questioned on their politics? There should never be any political debate, discussions, examination of why we vote one way or another? Really? What kind of country do you think you live in ffs? This seems like a sentence written by someone that has never thought about anything very much.

 

[Is it PotG?]

First part of that...well duh! Of course personal voting preferences are (by definition) personal!

Second part of that is just fundamentally stupid. You think nobody should ever be challenged or questioned on their politics? There should never be any political debate, discussions, examination of why we vote one way or another? Really? What kind of country do you think you live in ffs? This seems like a sentence written by someone that has never thought about anything very much.

It will depend upon the reason for the scrutiny.

If it were out of interest and open mindedness then all is tickety-boo.

Whereas, and I'm not implying that might happen here, that the reason is to pick holes, belittle and tag such views under a casual umbrella then it might be different.

 

[BadFish]

There is a lot of truth in this and the standard of living has been hugely eroded over the last 20 years. In 1997 I purchased a 2 bedroom terraced house for 55k with my partner and we both had entry level office jobs. We afforded holidays, few nights out a week and lived ok. Today that same job I had pays £10k more than 1997 and the house is now £300k. I don’t know even where I would start if I was coming into the market in 2025 and I think it’s a depressing outlook for our young which in itself is a national scandal.

People are desperate and voting for anything that can shake up the system and deliver some change for their lives and the grifters of reform and brexit campaign prey on them for their own selfish interests and advancement.

The truth is this country is broken and peoples living standards are collateral damage in a political system that is self serving. Not sure any of them have the answers to the problems we are all facing but won’t knock people’s desperation for something better.

More of the same certainly won't give any answers. But people are talking about high taxes for the super wealthy, taxing wealth not income, public ownership of utilities to stop you getting ripped off.

It's all there, there is just no appetite for it. Perhaps this is because the message is controlled by either billionaire tech oligarchs or billionaire media moguls.

After the war the UK created economic policy to allow housing ownership and a pension for people on a single wage, they created the NHS and the welfare state with these policies. They made a concerted effort to tip the scales in the direction of working people.

The electorate rejected such ideas along time ago and continues to be bamboozled by snake oil salesmen like Johnson and Farage.

 

[Peteinblack]

They support them because the standard of living is killing people. No one can afford to buy a house , wages are shit and no one has got much money.

Most importantly they vote for them because a cartel of billionaires who pay f*** all tax have persuaded them that the above isn't because said cartel has all the money and continues to get more. It is, in fact, because of a brown fella who gave away his life's savings to get on a lilo and cross the English channel.

Of course one has to reiterate here that they absolutely do not buy this bollocks because they are thick or racist.

And anyone pointing this out is woke, patronising and 'chewing on dungaree straps' (whatever that means ).

 

[darkwolf666]

Search function is your friend as I'm frequently told. But as a gesture I've copied below. I also said I'd be happy to pay additional tax to fund if it went to the right areas. Not sure any of these would breach international law. I'll ask you the same question that Berty swerved. Which of the Reform policies do you agree with ?.

I'd never seen it before but at a very quick glance:
Deport foreign criminals - The current 1yr sentence level is ridiculous when you look at the state of our justice system and the paltry suspended sentences some get.
End Student dependency visas - Do many UK citizens take their whole family with them if they go and study abroad ?, it's just not needed.
Abolish IR35 rules - Took away so much from contractors. I know there will be many on here who disagree but this if you got caught in it you lost all the benefits of being a ltd company but received none of the employee benefits.
Sentencing review - Needs a major overhaul and to keep offenders off the streets.
Will need then to increase detention spaces by 10k - I'd suggest even that is too few

That's 5 and at first glance there look to be others that I'd agree with but would need to see more about them and then there are a lot of disagree with or are just unachievable.

I don't know anything about IR35, so can't comment on that, however I have read some of the replies on here that indicate scrapping it could lead to all sorts of evasive ruses - who ever would have thought Nigel would be in favour of schemes that had less control and could make the rich richer, without checks and balances!

As for some of the other stuff, you have clearly been drawn in by the headlines, without looking beyond the "we will do..."

For example, here's the info on student visas and dependency - all seems quite reasonable... Unless of course you are a gammon baiter!

Student visa

Apply for a Student visa to study in the UK if you're 16 or over - eligibility, extend or switch your visa, how much it costs and how long it takes

www.gov.uk

 

[Guinness Boy]

It will depend upon the reason for the scrutiny.

If it were out of interest and open mindedness then all is tickety-boo.

Whereas, and I'm not implying that might happen here, that the reason is to pick holes, belittle and tag such views under a casual umbrella then it might be different.

If a policy is unworkable, unaffordable or illegal why wouldn't you pick holes in it??

 

[abc]

I suspect one reason people are supporting Reform is as a reaction to those (like the majority on here) who say that anyone who doesn’t agree with their politics is wrong, thick, racist and so on. This arrogance has created the space for Reform whom are attracting support simply by saying ‘we are listening to and understanding your concerns and you are not thick, but have a right to be heard as much as the ‘lanyard class’ ( an expression coined in an excellent Times column on the subject recently).

 

[Is it PotG?]

If a policy is unworkable, unaffordable or illegal why wouldn't you pick holes in it??

Because it's just my opinion. Like music, a film, or anything....what makes your opinion better than that of another?