[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[nicko31]

Farage is a genius. He causes Brexit which creates a problem for the UK that didn't exist before Brexit - i.e. small boat crossings - which kills the 2 main parties because they can't stem the tide, causing him to surge ahead in the polls and give him his best chance of becoming PM.

And all the while our economy tanks, chiefly because of the Brexit he caused, but which significant numbers of voters seem to have overlooked.

The arsonist now wants to become a fireman when he should be in jail

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I’d love to know since 2018 how many boat people are now GP’ s

Delivering food which lead to others needing GP’s probably

Why not look it up, instead of sneering all the time?

 

[pocketseagull]

Delivering food which lead to others needing GP’s probably

You're denigrating people who want to get on and earn money and take on jobs there's a demand for.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Why do you think migrants want to come to the UK?

If you have a suggestion to address the problems caused by war, famine, disease, corruption and prejudice that are the main drivers of migration then I’m with you 100%

We're not even in the top 10 countries who take in refugees, but some people would have us believe that we are the main destination.

Which countries are taking in the most refugees in 2025?

The largest host communities for refugees are probably not the ones you think. Updated for 2025, these are the 10 countries with the largest refugee populations.

www.concern.org.uk

 

[worthingweird]

Farage is a genius. He causes Brexit which creates a problem for the UK that didn't exist before Brexit - i.e. small boat crossings - which kills the 2 main parties because they can't stem the tide, causing him to surge ahead in the polls and give him his best chance of becoming PM.

And all the while our economy tanks, chiefly because of the Brexit he caused, but which significant numbers of voters seem to have overlooked.

Brexit was not carried out by the governments...

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I don't think "foreigners will bring our standard of living down". I know it's easier to be critical of what someone says if you make it up rather than answer the post as written, but it's unworthy of you.

What I said was that if we allow unrestricted immigration, then immigration will continue apace until the country is no more attractive to live in than where they come from now. Isn't that obvious? If we put posters out in Syria, or Sudan, or Somalia, advertising the UK as a place to come and live with guaranteed entry, then they will come in their millions, and there will be too many for the infrastructure to cope with and the standard of living will go down. It would have to go down an awful long way to be at the standard of living they are coming from, and maybe it never would get so low. But as long as there are no restrictions on immigration, the immigrants will keep coming.

Hence my opinion that we shouldn't have unlimited immigration. And if we provide safe passage for the little boaters across the Channel, then we are in effect providing safe passage for everyone.

Who is saying we should have unlimited immigration? I don’t believe any party has ever said that or wants That. Labour certainly don’t considering they are deporting people every day. All immigration is controlled with rules set in place restricting who can come to the UK. An absolutely monumentally stupid thing to say.
So in summary your whole argument is based upon an assumption that somewhere along the lines we are going to have unrestricted immigration, something that is never going to happen. Unbelievable

The question is those that are being smuggled in whether by lorry or in small boats. That is the issue we have here and what reform using as its battering ram. I waiting to hear HOW reform plan on stopping the small boats. I mean Ik’m not convinced when they can’t even vet their prospective counsellors/MP’s properly

 

[rogersix]

It's human nature to make mistakes, I don't know anyone who's ever got 100% of things right

So we do need the ECHR then, I'm sure you would agree

 

[WATFORD zero]

Who is saying we should have unlimited immigration? I don’t believe any party has ever said that or wants That. Labour certainly do it considering they are deporting people every day. All immigration is controlled with rules set in place restricting who can come to the UK. An absolutely monumentally stupid thing to say.
So in summary your whole argument is based upon an assumption that somewhere along the lines we are going to have unrestricted immigration, something that is never going to happen. Unbelievable

The question is those that are being smuggled in whether by lorry or in small boats. That is the issue we have here and what reform using as its battering ram. I waiting to hear HOW reform plan on stopping the small boats. I mean Ik’m not convinced when they can’t even vet their prospective counsellors/MP’s properly

He has to make up ridiculous lies to try and create a straw man to justify his case as the simple truth is something he and his friends don't want to hear. That they have been naively taken in time and time again by Farage, Johnson, Brexit etc since before 2016, and each time they've voted, they've made the situation worse.

Boat Crossings
(Numbers weren't recorded prior to 2018 as the government thought them inconsequential).
2018 - 299
2019 - 1,890
2020 - 8,466
2021 - 28,526
2022 - 45,755
2023 - 29,437
2024 - 36,816

And now they are all over this thread moaning and whining that each time they vote for "Leopard's eating People's faces party" the leopard's eat more of their faces

The complete idiocy continues unabated but for added entertainment they constantly post on here moaning about what they've done, as if people have forgotten

 

[rogersix]

Failure to control immigration numbers after having manifesto after manifesto promising reduced numbers, no wonder people are not trusting Conservatives on the issue

The Tories created the problem, why would they solve it?

 

[rogersix]

Depends on the need of the industries that require the skilled workers. It'll have to be flexible.

So the English will definitely do all the non-essential jobs then?

 

[rogersix]

It would be trivial to get these people here safely. Charter a ferry and run trips from Calais to Dover, advertise it round Europe so they know where to come to, and I dare say we could get support from other European countries to subsidise their rail travel as well.

Whether it would be politically popular, I doubt. As the recent local elections showed, there are a lot of people who don't share this board's majority view that unfettered immigration is a good thing.

Theresa May blew it out of the water

 

[Chicken Run]

Why not look it up, instead of sneering all the time?

I thought you were the one with all the graphs and links to twitter?

 

[rogersix]

If you're saying that a safe way must be found for Channel small boaters to get here, then it is a safe way for everyone to get here. You can't in practice have a policy that provides a safe route for those who would otherwise get into a small boat but excluding those who would otherwise stop at home.

You simply do the background checks in France

 

[WATFORD zero]

I thought you were the one with all the graphs and links to twitter?

And now they are all over this thread moaning and whining that each time they vote for "Leopard's eating People's faces party" the leopard's eat more of their faces

The complete idiocy continues unabated but for added entertainment they constantly post on here moaning about what they've done, as if people have forgotten

Case rests m'lud

 

[WATFORD zero]

You simply do the background checks in France

Are you suggesting that we process asylum cases from abroad without them having to make a boat crossing like we always did before the last Government changed it and forced people to actually be in Britain to apply ?

That's a bit radical

 

[TomandJerry]

So the English will definitely do all the non-essential jobs then?

I'm not saying they will, but in areas which are in need of extra workers - bring them in and give them jobs

 

[TomandJerry]

The Tories created the problem, why would they solve it?

They have lost my trust, and a lot of other people trust hence why Reform are doing so well (and the Lib Dems)

 

[TomandJerry]

So we do need the ECHR then, I'm sure you would agree

It'd be nice to have faith in our justice system so that it didn't need external examination

 

[TomandJerry]

Why do you think migrants want to come to the UK?

If you have a suggestion to address the problems caused by war, famine, disease, corruption and prejudice that are the main drivers of migration then I’m with you 100%

I feel like tackling the issues that cause migration should be the main starting point in stopping it, not just simply denying boats.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm not saying they will, but in areas which are in need of extra workers - bring them in and give them jobs

Brilliant.

One of the industries with most need of workers is agriculture. Lincolnshire is hugely agricultural. It's also incredibly Brexity and Reform voting.

How do you suggest we fill vacancies where there is a real national need, in this case the UK's food and agriculture security, when the locals don't want the only obvious solution.

Turkeys and Christmas anyone?