[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[TomandJerry]

What's the magic number? How much immigration are reform suggesting is okay?

Depends on the need of the industries that require the skilled workers. It'll have to be flexible.

 

[Berty23]

Depends on the need of the industries that require the skilled workers. It'll have to be flexible.

How is skilled worker defined?

Care workers are not considered skilled but do I have the necessary skills (patience, communication etc) to do it? No chance.

 

[dsr-burnley]

I totally agree, and all the money that the tory government wasted in being ****s to these people to try and scare them away could have been saved by putting in some kind of mechanism for getting them to the UK safely.

Again it's inexplicable that people were persuaded to vote for the ineffective and ridiculously expensive solution that didn't and was never going to work. (Because of it had worked the government would have lost one of its few vote winning policies).

It would be trivial to get these people here safely. Charter a ferry and run trips from Calais to Dover, advertise it round Europe so they know where to come to, and I dare say we could get support from other European countries to subsidise their rail travel as well.

Whether it would be politically popular, I doubt. As the recent local elections showed, there are a lot of people who don't share this board's majority view that unfettered immigration is a good thing.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's human nature to make mistakes, I don't know anyone who's ever got 100% of things right

Exactly my point which is why there is another point of appeal, especially when a deportation could mean a death penalty.

 

[BadFish]

Depends on the need of the industries that require the skilled workers. It'll have to be flexible.

So reform are advocating for less immigration but haven't suggested an idea of how much that might be?

Surely the first thing to do is run the numbers taking into account the needs of the market and what the countries infrastructure can handle. Then give a ball park figure?

 

[BadFish]

It would be trivial to get these people here safely. Charter a ferry and run trips from Calais to Dover, advertise it round Europe so they know where to come to, and I dare say we could get support from other European countries to subsidise their rail travel as well.

Whether it would be politically popular, I doubt. As the recent local elections showed, there are a lot of people who don't share this board's majority view that unfettered immigration is a good thing.

We are not talking about unfettered immigration, we are talking about asylum seekers. Conflating the two is a disingenuous ruse.

As has been proven many times in your recent political history, what is popular is not always right and what is right is not always popular.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If ECHR is to be removed (again, unlikely at the moment) then I'd fully expect and hope a British bill of human rights to be implemented instead of losing all our rights currently granted by the ECHR.

But also the Irish issue would have to be navigated - let's not forget that

One minute you're saying you don't trust the established politicians and now you're saying you hope the British have a human rights bill.

The ECHR was started by Sir Winston Churchill. Two countries in Europe who don't belong are Belarus and Russia.

 

[TomandJerry]

One minute you're saying you don't trust the established politicians and now you're saying you hope the British have a human rights bill.

The ECHR was started by Sir Winston Churchill. Two countries in Europe who don't belong are Belarus and Russia.

Well, the recent leadership of the Conservative party hasn't boded well in the trust department.

From a personal stand point I wouldn't be backing the removal of the ECHR without a new bill on human rights.

 

[dsr-burnley]

We are not talking about unfettered immigration, we are talking about asylum seekers. Conflating the two is a disingenuous ruse.

As has been proven many times in your recent political history, what is popular is not always right and what is right is not always popular.

If you're saying that a safe way must be found for Channel small boaters to get here, then it is a safe way for everyone to get here. You can't in practice have a policy that provides a safe route for those who would otherwise get into a small boat but excluding those who would otherwise stop at home.

 

[BadFish]

If you're saying that a safe way must be found for Channel small boaters to get here, then it is a safe way for everyone to get here. You can't in practice have a policy that provides a safe route for those who would otherwise get into a small boat but excluding those who would otherwise stop at home.

So in fact you were talking about unfettered access for asylum seekers rather than immigration as a whole?

 

[Lever]

It would be trivial to get these people here safely. Charter a ferry and run trips from Calais to Dover, advertise it round Europe so they know where to come to, and I dare say we could get support from other European countries to subsidise their rail travel as well.

Whether it would be politically popular, I doubt. As the recent local elections showed, there are a lot of people who don't share this board's majority view that unfettered immigration is a good thing.

What exactly do you mean when you write 'unfettered' immigration? I suspect you would place me in the category of being in the 'majority view' on here, but I know no one who thinks illegal immigration is a good thing. Have another go....

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If you're saying that a safe way must be found for Channel small boaters to get here, then it is a safe way for everyone to get here. You can't in practice have a policy that provides a safe route for those who would otherwise get into a small boat but excluding those who would otherwise stop at home.

Why did Theresa May refuse to have an asylum processing centre in France when President Macron offered one?

 

[pocketseagull]

From a personal stand point I wouldn't be backing the removal of the ECHR without a new bill on human rights.

Reform want us to leave the ECHR to restrict our rights. Why would you want that?

 

[TomandJerry]

Reform want us to leave the ECHR to restrict our rights. Why would you want that?

I don't want our rights to be restricted (have Reform stated that they want our rights restricted?)- people who the British courts (through a just and fair process) have deemed to be deportable should be deportable without interference.

Since we can't deport them, where do they go? Into hotels? (Which Labour is trying to reduce) Into housing where we currently have a big housing shortage?

 

[Berty23]

I don't want our rights to be restricted (have Reform stated that they want our rights restricted?)- people who the British courts (through a just and fair process) have deemed to be deportable should be deportable without interference.

Since we can't deport them, where do they go? Into hotels? (Which Labour is trying to reduce) Into housing where we currently have a big housing shortage?

They are deportable once processed. The issue Labour face is the massive backlog of processing because the Tories basically stopped processing them.

 

[RyFish]

I don't want our rights to be restricted (have Reform stated that they want our rights restricted?)- people who the British courts (through a just and fair process) have deemed to be deportable should be deportable without interference.

Since we can't deport them, where do they go? Into hotels? (Which Labour is trying to reduce) Into housing where we currently have a big housing shortage?

There's an obvious solution to the housing shortage. More than one solution, in fact

 

[Hugo Rune]

They are deportable once processed. The issue Labour face is the massive backlog of processing because the Tories basically stopped processing them.

To fan the flames of the immigration issue because they thought it would trigger voters to back them and be stupid enough to still blame Labour and the EU for the mess they created. It massively backfired on them.

 

[dsr-burnley]

What exactly do you mean when you write 'unfettered' immigration? I suspect you would place me in the category of being in the 'majority view' on here, but I know no one who thinks illegal immigration is a good thing. Have another go....

The suggestion from Badfish was that a system should be put in place whereby people who wish to come to the UK should be allowed to do so safely. Specifically in respect of the small boaters, but obviously it would be extended to all. Essentially illegal immigrants would be legitimised.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Reform want us to leave the ECHR to restrict our rights. Why would you want that?

The whole point of the criminal justice system is that it restricts people's rights. The ECHR on the one hand wants to give people as many rights as possible, the court systems in all countries want to restrict the rights of criminals. It's a matter of getting the right balance, and at present the ECHR is (in some people's opinions) too successful at stopping the criminal courts from restricting their rights.

 

[Chicken Run]

Why did Theresa May refuse to have an asylum processing centre in France when President Macron offered one?

I wouldn’t trust Macron, here is the guy that wanted to deport his ‘visitors’ to processing camps in Libya!!