[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[The Brighton Ace]

I see your point.

It does beg the question; why are some falling for it while others aren’t?

I think you underestimate the incredible appeal of an alternative choice to the current status quo. For people who are struggling, many will feel that things can’t get worse from the Labour/Tory experience. There is also the added appeal of externalising any problem to migrants who serve as a voiceless and powerless scapegoat. Brexit was the same.

As a Labour voter, what I’m incredibly disappointed with so far is the drift in their values. Winter fuel allowance, benefit cuts and the rhetoric surrounding them - it’s hard to see how they’re looking out for the most vulnerable in society. On the other end, other than private school fee tax, how are Labour closing the wealth divide? Bringing back the 50% tax bracket for highest earners would be a start.

Reform will continue to thrive whilst they push a rhetoric that resonates and living conditions for the poorest in society continue to deteriorate.

 

[Cordwainer]

The problem with a binary approach is the cost. A nuclear power station costs pretty much the same to run whether it's producing electricity or not. Same goes for a wind or a solar power station. It's only gas/oil where it costs significantly less to run if it's dormant waiting until needed.

Im advocating against a binary approach..the reliance on gas and oil, especially that which we import has to be phased out, whilst sustainable solutions are phased in.

 

[rogersix]

Isn't hydrogen expensive to produce? That's the main reason why it hasn't been used in cars, isn't it?

it's a lot cheaper than batts, and only hydrogen can replace our domestic gas use

 

[nevergoagain]

Actually, I now recall there was a change to the rules which made the “end business” liable and some companies, quite lazily, would not employ people via UK UK limited companies.

Yes, exactly this, the client made the determination as to inside or out with no consultation to the contracting supplier.

 

[Bodian]

Not really, just pointless arguing with blinkered shouty people.

I didn't know you were arguing with Reform voters??

Scrapping net zero and HS2 could in part fund the infrastructure costs of the small nuclear energy hubs

You do realise that the Net Zero Strategy that you wish to scrap actually stresses how important nuclear is within the UK's energy mix? And allocates quite a bit of funding towards it already - in particular; £215 million for Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) to develop a domestic smaller-scale power plant technology design.

 

[clapham_gull]

White dog shit.

 

[clapham_gull]

Pebble Mill at One

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Well here you are, I'm in Australia where we just gave right wing politics a massive bloody nose and said 'yeah, nah mate, thanks but no thanks.

And I know for a fact that British people are not as thick as Aussies.

I read an article the other day (presumably on The Guardian or BBC websites given they're free and work properly) that was going on about how Australian elections generally skew closer to "the centre" than other comparable countries, which suggested it's mainly due to compulsory voting and the electoral systems used.

I did also happen across an article on the ABC site earlier saying this was the first Australian election where millenial and gen z voters outnumbered baby boomers.

 

[clapham_gull]

Cheggars Plays Pop

 

[clapham_gull]

Wimpy

 

[TomandJerry]

I didn't know you were arguing with Reform voters??


You do realise that the Net Zero Strategy that you wish to scrap actually stresses how important nuclear is within the UK's energy mix? And allocates quite a bit of funding towards it already - in particular; £215 million for Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) to develop a domestic smaller-scale power plant technology design.

Which is a great first step towards SMR's, but I can only imagine that £215m will only really scratch the surface on what's required

 

[A1X]

Scrapping net zero and HS2 could in part fund the infrastructure costs of the small nuclear energy hubs

And what happens to all the HS2 stuff that’s already been built? Leave them as giant concrete monoliths to our shortsightedness for future generations?

 

[The Clamp]

Just so I’m clear;

Gullible thick people are being targeted by malevolent powers that want them to vote against their own interests yet we aren’t allowed to recognise that?

We are the ones that didn’t get fooled but in order to spare the blushes of the nitwits, we have to keep quiet?

Do people have any idea how f***ing insane that is?

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Just so I’m clear;

Gullible thick people are being targeted by malevolent powers that want them to vote against their own interests yet we aren’t allowed to recognise that?

We are the ones that didn’t get fooled but in order to spare the blushes of the nitwits, we have to keep quiet?

Do people have any idea how f***ing insane that is?

They don't like it being pointed out. I think they may be soft and woke.

 

[TomandJerry]

https://freepricecompare.com/home-e...p/#does_nuclear_power_lower_electricity_bills

 

[TomandJerry]

Just so I’m clear;

Gullible thick people are being targeted by malevolent powers that want them to vote against their own interests yet we aren’t allowed to recognise that?

We are the ones that didn’t get fooled but in order to spare the blushes of the nitwits, we have to keep quiet?

Do people have any idea how f***ing insane that is?

Who's telling you to keep quiet?

 

[TomandJerry]

They don't it being pointed out. I think they may be soft and woke.

I'm not sure who you are referring too?

I have no issues with having a debate about policies, being proven wrong about certain things with good reliable information/facts to be able to make an informed opinion on

 

[jcdenton08]

Labour need to listen. They have a tendency to not listen. All parties do, but Labour are punished for it far more than the Tories.

By this, I mean Gordon Brown’s “ignorant woman” comment. I mean saying “we’re listening” isn’t the same as actually changing policy to appease voters.

They’ve had a kicking in the council elections. It’s not the end of the world. The main thing is not to go down the path again of “we’re right, you’re wrong”, because they simply don’t have the popular support to do that.

It’s one thing taking the moral high ground and giving platitudes to dissenters, it’s another to actually convince people with actions why they’re a better option than Reform.

Politics is the art of the possible. They needn’t shift further right to compete with Reform, they need to listen to the primary concerns of voters they’re losing and address them head on.

 

[TomandJerry]

Labour need to listen. They have a tendency to not listen. All parties do, but Labour are punished for it far more than the Tories.

By this, I mean Gordon Brown’s “ignorant woman” comment. I mean saying “we’re listening” isn’t the same as actually changing policy to appease voters.

They’ve had a kicking in the council elections. It’s not the end of the world. The main thing is not to go down the path again of “we’re right, you’re wrong”, because they simply don’t have the popular support to do that.

It’s one thing taking the moral high ground and giving platitudes to dissenters, it’s another to actually convince people with actions why they’re a better option than Reform.

Politics is the art of the possible. They needn’t shift further right to compete with Reform, they need to listen to the primary concerns of voters they’re losing and address them head on.

If Reform and the Conservatives form a pact of any sort (which I doubt) I'm pretty convinced they will win the next election, so what does Labour do?

Lib Dems and Greens have the left covered, Tories and Reform have the right covered. Can Labour simply win by being on the centre?

 

[WATFORD zero]

If Reform and the Conservatives form a pact of any sort (which I doubt) I'm pretty convinced they will win the next election, so what does Labour do?

Lib Dems and Greens have the left covered, Tories and Reform have the right covered. Can Labour simply win by being on the centre?

Every British GE has always been won from the centre, same as the one last year, and If the far right win a GE in Britain it'll be because we deserve it

"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite."

Although, if you're going to troll, making out that you are so stupid that other posters actually believe you may be a genuine Reform supporter is genius