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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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On the news this morning they said that Zelensky has 'blamed the Russian's for lying to the US' - which is a good tactic.
fly high
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On a Times Radio podcast there was a clip of an interview they had with the chap who was Trump's ambassador to EU during his first stint. His view was that Trump was siding with Putin to try and create a split between Moscow and China and he'll keep siding with Putin.
This ma well be the case but I just don't think Trump and his cronies are clever enough. Putin is a crafty c##t and is running rings round them, getting everything he wants and they are too stupid see it.
Zelenskiy and his team are very smart
The lack of such a basic understanding of the need for diplomacy and at least the appearance of neutrality from those in positions of authority representing the nation who is supposed to be brokering the peace deal is absolutely astounding. She and her ilk are not only incredibly vile they're also incredibly thick.
Either they are too stupid or Trump is just sooooo focused on Chaina as his main enemy that he can't see beyond that - if that's so then he'll keep benefitting Putin whether he's being played or not.
Phillips O’Brien reckons the Americans negotiated two different ceasefires and didn’t tell the Ukrainians that Russia would get benefits.
The US are free to help Russia with sanctions if they want to, they don't need an agreed ceasefire to do it. So the ceasefire that Russia and Ukraine have is the same. Russia has said it won't sign the ceasefire unless some sanctions are removed, so they haven't signed it yet. Hopefully Ukraine will reject that before it even starts.
Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
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I don’t think the Uyghurs hold the Chinese in particularly high esteem either
America currently has a president who is a criminal and has no interest in democracy or the rules of law, but that's not what America has been like for the last 200 years. China don't care about human rights or the sovereignty of other countries, or the indigenous people in the way of their empire, whom they keep in slave labour. Just because the US have a rogue president, let's not start pretending China is anything other than a threat to humans across the globe.
China have a no limits agreement with Russia. They'll help Russia take over Ukraine if that's what you mean by help?
Yeah that's not going to work. It's not about personalities and agreements, it's about forms of government. Russia and China are autocracies, and their enemy is democracy. Trump doing favours for Putin won't change that.
- Aug 24, 2020
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I'm dumbfounded. You can't have an asymmetrical ceasefire, agreeing one ceasefire with one party, and then another, different agreement with the counterparty.Phillips O’Brien reckons the Americans negotiated two different ceasefires and didn’t tell the Ukrainians that Russia would get benefits.
It is obviously not going to work. I can't work out if this is being duplicitous, unutterably incompetent, or both.
- Jan 25, 2025
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For what it’s worth (I know, not much) China denied those peacekeeper reports anyway.
China trashes report it would put peacekeeping troops in Ukraine
Beijing maintains close ties with Moscow.
www.politico.eu
I personally think they win either way by staying out of it and spending their time & money building massive coastal landing barges for no specific reason at all.
- Jan 25, 2025
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This “is the US govt malicious or stupid” debate has me dumbfounded. As though it’s mutually exclusive. Of course it’s both of those things.
Given the advance of drones, I'm not sure landing barges are the way forward. Taiwan should have a million of them at the ready.
GoldstoneVintage
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The amazing thing is how everyone has to pretend that they believe the US is an honest broker when literally no-one actually does!
- Jan 25, 2025
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They did look like a very unmissable target from the photos. I did wonder if they were fake but it was widely reported.
But, no different to Operation Sealion, it would rely on aerial dominance with or without drones.
Yes, all his choices are risky.
I don't think he can call out the US as a Russian ally (although I may have emotionally said that just a few posts ago).
It's dangerous because, unless Europe is 100%on board with saying it (even if they believe that) then Zelenskiy may lose a lot of European support.
Better I think that Ukraine, EU, UK keeps developing it's own plans and actions for support of Ukraine, in parallel with US conniving, and let it play out: maybe there'll be no ceasefire, or it'll be clear Russia has broken it, or American political 'leaders' will accuse Trump of being allied with Russia... that could be a better way.
John Bolton has pretty much said that on Times radio (that's how I heard it).
I think it's also partly the difficulty of breaking away from decades of trust in the US as an ally.
This is a tiny insight into how hard it would be to change the Russian people's mindset after many decades of propaganda.
I do wonder what this is worth though, tbh. It's not anything actually tangible as far as I can see, more posturing at the time IMO.
For D day the allies had aerial superiority, but it would have been different if the Germans had drones. Aerial dominance wouldn't be able to stop thousands of drones.
I expect China's plan is to use propaganda and moles etc to take Taiwan some years down the line, rather than invade.