[Albion] The Fan Advisory Board Thread

[dazzer6666]

Mid January which is around 20 days on would

Yeah but we have until 2nd anyway

 

[dazzer6666]

It's civil war at Premier League HQ at present. The Sneaky Six want any additional money to the EFL to be split evenly between all 20 clubs, this will help preserve the gap between super rich and rich in £££ terms, but increase it in % terms. Some of the smaller clubs are being deliberately awkward, with a Championship CEO calling me on Christmas Eve to let off some steam, calling Luton a 'bunch of spivvy c*nts' as they are delaying and trying to reduce any increase in the interim payment from the PL to the EFL.

Meanwhile the PL is still using lobbyists to delay, discredit, deny and dilute the introduction of the Independent Regulator, using scare stories and employing the likes of the loony toon libertarian Institute of Economic Affairs as their attack dog. They are trying to bribe the EFL into opposing the regulator via the 'New Deal' in terms of additional monies for the 72.

Luton should be doing all they can to help EFL teams, they’ll be back there soon.

 

[Acker79]

Luton should be doing all they can to help EFL teams, they’ll be back there soon.

They'll be back there with parachue payments that will give them an advantage. If other payments are increased, it could dilute that advantage. Or they may feel it could - even if not in actual money, it may offer another club the chance to offer higher wages than they otherwise would, making them an appealing alternative to Luton for players who would otherwise have helped Luton return to the premier league.

 

[dazzer6666]

They'll be back there with parachue payments that will give them an advantage. If other payments are increased, it could dilute that advantage. Or they may feel it could - even if not in actual money, it may offer another club the chance to offer higher wages than they otherwise would, making them an appealing alternative to Luton for players who would otherwise have helped Luton return to the premier league.

…hence the ‘spivvy ****s‘ comment I guess

 

[Wozza]

A date which would then encroach financially on the away leg ticket sales, and I'm sure someone would have a bee in their bonnet about that.

You find me one season ticket holder who can no longer go to the game, for financial reasons because of the timing of the ticket sales, and the point you're making might have some merit.

I'm on this thread to give a view to a fan representative on an issue which affects me personally - and which, judging by the responses here and elsewhere, affects others too.

And you've come here to reply to me again - as you've already done on another thread - to dismiss fellow fans' issues because it doesn't impact you?

For once, how about you wind your neck in?

I'm sure most STHers, with and without kids, will find a way of paying; put on credit card or whatever. That doesn't make it right.

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the club why they've set such a early deadline - surely the earliest tickets have ever gone on sale for an Albion match, and seemingly ahead of all other English teams in the Europa League.

Again, the timing looks unnecessary. Would be good to hear an explanation from the club.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If recent revelations regarding the Horizon scandal are correct then fans need to feel reassured they are judged within the parameters of the law, not based on a personal or club moral agenda or view that goes against the right to freedom of speech, ignores the courts or is affronted - yet our Police feel there is no case to pursue.. .

I disagree with this. It’s this exact argument which has partially led to the increase in anti-social behavior at and around games. Whilst acting a twat might not be illegal within the parameters of the law, and eradication might be driven more by club agenda, the club are well within their rights to act. Im
not sure of your point about freedom-of-speech but I’m very sure about the types who use this as their argument.

What I will say, is the club have a charter and numerous rules for fan behavior. These seem reasonable and very easy to stay the right side of. In all the cases I have read, the club have judged the supporters actions against this. That’s fair to me.

 

[Talby]

I disagree with this. It’s this exact argument which has partially led to the increase in anti-social behavior at and around games. Whilst acting a twat might not be illegal within the parameters of the law, and eradication might be driven more by club agenda, the club are well within their rights to act. Im
not sure of your point about freedom-of-speech but I’m very sure about the types who use this as their argument.

What I will say, is the club have a charter and numerous rules for fan behavior. These seem reasonable and very easy to stay the right side of. In all the cases I have read, the club have judged the supporters actions against this. That’s fair to me.

You’ve appeared to completely ignore the root of the issue and focussed on certain ‘types’. Reasonable is ok but consistency and transparency is another thing. I’d suggest an unwavering approach to things doesn’t always sit within the parameters of fairness.

 

[El Presidente]

. In all the cases I have read, the club have judged the supporters actions against this. That’s fair to me.

In the majority of cases I agree with you, but some of the punishments have been disproportionate and inflexible IMO.

 

[dazzer6666]

Season ticket renewals (and payment if you do it by lump sum) also going to be earlier for next season…….

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I'll happily welcome an end to lyrics being put on the screen the moment everyone to a man, woman, non-binary and everyone else religiously SIGNS the chorus as:

"Oh Sussex, Sussex by the Sea
Good old Sussex by the Sea'

and NOT:

'Good old Sussex by the Sea' TWICE.

Because I'm willing to bet it will NEVER happen. Think how long the 'And we're going up to win the cup' line was in regular use (and no doubt some people still sing that) before the majority got it right, FFS!

All the time that people can't/won't/don't use the correct lyrics, I'm firmly #TeamLyricsOnTheScreens

 

[seagullwedgee]

Now we know why the board canned the last meeting with the FAB, because the club wanted to accelerate and simplify the ST renewal process, both of which are to the detriment of fans (and that’s without knowing the outcome of travel review either) and the Club realised that just stuffing these substantial changes in front of FAB as a fait accompli without any notification or consultation would look bad, so they just canned the meeting, and did the fait accompli closure that way instead.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You’ve appeared to completely ignore the root of the issue and focussed on certain ‘types’. Reasonable is ok but consistency and transparency is another thing. I’d suggest an unwavering approach to things doesn’t always sit within the parameters of fairness.

From memory there’s been punishments for abuse, lobbing things, fighting and running on the pitch. I presume we agree the bans for these were fair.

The most contention arises with the bans for passing on away tickets; these usually get a 5 or 10 game ban which seems fair to me. I know all the high profile cases had extenuating reasons….but then no one is guilty of anything until they get caught and punished.

 

[Dave the OAP]

I am not sure why having the words on screen upsets some people.
If you know the words you don´t need to look. If you don´t, it helps you to join in.
I was at the Marseille game and joined in where I could but have to confess that I cannot remember all the words.
Should I be banned?

Yes

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I am not sure why having the words on screen upsets some people.
If you know the words you don´t need to look. If you don´t, it helps you to join in.
I was at the Marseille game and joined in where I could but have to confess that I cannot remember all the words.
Should I be banned?

If you have to ask……

 

[maltaseagull]

Yes

You sir and Herr Tubthumper are pretentious twa*s

 

[Talby]

From memory there’s been punishments for abuse, lobbing things, fighting and running on the pitch. I presume we agree the bans for these were fair.

The most contention arises with the bans for passing on away tickets; these usually get a 5 or 10 game ban which seems fair to me. I know all the high profile cases had extenuating reasons….but then no one is guilty of anything until they get caught and punished.

Acts that are clearly sanctionable - don’t disagree. My comment were based on what happens when it all becomes all about protecting the brand, based on a set of values that aren’t defined. That then becomes a moral judgement, which you’re not allowed to question.

Listen, I’m not here to fall out with anyone on this but there have been a number of cases where the

From memory there’s been punishments for abuse, lobbing things, fighting and running on the pitch. I presume we agree the bans for these were fair.

The most contention arises with the bans for passing on away tickets; these usually get a 5 or 10 game ban which seems fair to me. I know all the high profile cases had extenuating reasons….but then no one is guilty of anything until they get caught and punished.

no one is guilty until they are caught and punished. That’s true but it’s the process of determining guilt that’s proved to be flawed / pointless and, we should all expect to be treated fairly. From the training ground investigation (settled out of court), to various decisions on sanctions, banning fans for actions/comments that weren’t punishable by law, ignoring the police & courts re. ending banning orders or the club not following their own procedures - that’s not ‘fair’, it’s just setting people up to fail and it’s a peculiar moral code to judge other and not reflect on your own failings (ie. Accepting doing something wrong or believing in basic forgiveness). Just makes the club look autocratic. And that’s not the society we live in. That’s what happened in the Post Office scandal, forget you’re dealing with people.

 

[Horses Arse]

I'll happily welcome an end to lyrics being put on the screen the moment everyone to a man, woman, non-binary and everyone else religiously SIGNS the chorus as:

"Oh Sussex, Sussex by the Sea
Good old Sussex by the Sea'

and NOT:

'Good old Sussex by the Sea' TWICE.

Because I'm willing to bet it will NEVER happen. Think how long the 'And we're going up to win the cup' line was in regular use (and no doubt some people still sing that) before the majority got it right, FFS!

All the time that people can't/won't/don't use the correct lyrics, I'm firmly #TeamLyricsOnTheScreens

Yet the lyrics don't achieve this, so why have them? Plus, it really doesn't matter

 

[Horses Arse]

Acts that are clearly sanctionable - don’t disagree. My comment were based on what happens when it all becomes all about protecting the brand, based on a set of values that aren’t defined. That then becomes a moral judgement, which you’re not allowed to question.

Listen, I’m not here to fall out with anyone on this but there have been a number of cases where the

no one is guilty until they are caught and punished. That’s true but it’s the process of determining guilt that’s proved to be flawed / pointless and, we should all expect to be treated fairly. From the training ground investigation (settled out of court), to various decisions on sanctions, banning fans for actions/comments that weren’t punishable by law, ignoring the police & courts re. ending banning orders or the club not following their own procedures - that’s not ‘fair’, it’s just setting people up to fail and it’s a peculiar moral code to judge other and not reflect on your own failings (ie. Accepting doing something wrong or believing in basic forgiveness). Just makes the club look autocratic. And that’s not the society we live in. That’s what happened in the Post Office scandal, forget you’re dealing with people.

Well said. Totally agree

 

[Stat Brother]

Acts that are clearly sanctionable - don’t disagree. My comment were based on what happens when it all becomes all about protecting the brand, based on a set of values that aren’t defined. That then becomes a moral judgement, which you’re not allowed to question.

Listen, I’m not here to fall out with anyone on this but there have been a number of cases where the

no one is guilty until they are caught and punished. That’s true but it’s the process of determining guilt that’s proved to be flawed / pointless and, we should all expect to be treated fairly. From the training ground investigation (settled out of court), to various decisions on sanctions, banning fans for actions/comments that weren’t punishable by law, ignoring the police & courts re. ending banning orders or the club not following their own procedures - that’s not ‘fair’, it’s just setting people up to fail and it’s a peculiar moral code to judge other and not reflect on your own failings (ie. Accepting doing something wrong or believing in basic forgiveness). Just makes the club look autocratic. And that’s not the society we live in. That’s what happened in the Post Office scandal, forget you’re dealing with people.

That doesn't take into account the fact the club is for arguments sake a 'Private Members Club' and to that end can pretty much do as it pleases.

 

[Dave the OAP]

You sir and Herr Tubthumper are pretentious twa*s

Thankyou good sir