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Talby

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Dec 24, 2023
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A regulator isn't going to come to the rescue of fans acting like pillocks.
No. But it will help define what being a pillock is. There have been references from others that the club operates a kangaroo court when it comes to sanctions. That’s not great for fans, or the club. The EFL operate a standard set of sanctions, so fans can have transparency.
 




Colonel Mustard

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Jun 18, 2023
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A regulator wont be micro managing clubs like that. But it should be ensuring fans have the ability to be involved in major decisions about club ownership and broad policy. That's why the PL and it's clubs are trying hard to delay it's introduction and using the figleaf of a toothless FAB to say the regulator isn't needed. I have no complaints about our club but regulation is necessary for the future of our beautiful game in the wider world and no club should be fighting against it.
Yes, I find it deeply concerning that the PL and at least some clubs are fighting against the appointment of a regulator. The resistance to what looks like a fair and sensible policy, seems to be a very clear admission that there are major faults with football administration.
 


Talby

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A regulator wont be micro managing clubs like that. But it should be ensuring fans have the ability to be involved in major decisions about club ownership and broad policy. That's why the PL and its clubs are trying hard to delay its introduction and using the figleaf of a toothless FAB to say the regulator isn't needed. I have no complaints about our club but regulation is necessary for the future of our beautiful game in the wider world and no club should be fighting against it.
Completely agree. A regulator wont micro manage but having PB telling the BHAFC FAB that he doesn’t think they’re needed isn’t great to hear. It’s in the October minutes on the club
Website.
 


Guinness Boy

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Completely agree. A regulator wont micro manage but having PB telling the BHAFC FAB that he doesn’t think they’re needed isn’t great to hear. It’s in the October minutes on the club
Website.
We know.

You seem to have a grudge and very detailed knowledge of club processes. How? What did they do to you?
 


Springal

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Completely agree. A regulator wont micro manage but having PB telling the BHAFC FAB that he doesn’t think they’re needed isn’t great to hear. It’s in the October minutes on the club
Website.
I’d bet Tony Bloom doesn’t either. Having personally invested a small fortune and having instilled his own board of business associates and friends I’m not sure he’s enamoured with some of the regulator suggestions either
 




Paulie Gualtieri

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And that’s why a regulator is needed.
A regulator typically (dependent on remit) will look how clubs have incorporated shared values / standards (agreed from the outset by governing body and regulator) they will have pillars if you like to ensure standards are met, such as consistency, fairness, transparency and communication.

If clubs set out clear and concise terms and you as a fan chose to not follow them, there’s not much the regulator will do. If for example the club hasn’t followed the process, the process isn’t proportionate or fair or there’s a conflict of interest the regulator may comment and act (again depending on remit)

Football clubs are private enterprises and it’s up to them in the main who they let buy their product / attend their premises, pretty much like every other business / residence


Reading between the lines I would say it’s probably isn’t a reach to suggest you have had some direct interaction on a grievance of some kind with the club. I’m guessing it’s been suggested that your actions have brought the club into disrepute somehow and you disagree, all be it , phrase is open ended and open to interpretation?
 
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El Presidente

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No. But it will help define what being a pillock is. There have been references from others that the club operates a kangaroo court when it comes to sanctions. That’s not great for fans, or the club. The EFL operate a standard set of sanctions, so fans can have transparency.
It won't. The remit of the regulator is actually very narrow. That doesn't stop the Premier League from trying to narrow it even further though, which IMO is counterproductive. The legislation is due to go to Parliament and could potentially be passed by June. However, we could have a new government by then, who are less willing to listen to the Premier League's pet lobbyists who are from the right of the politicial spectrum.
 


Stat Brother

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We know.

You seem to have a grudge and very detailed knowledge of club processes. How? What did they do to you?
History suggests this is the point where the conversation becomes a lot less specific.
 




Herr Tubthumper

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Integrity is sticking to your principles. But that also means sticking to your values, I don’t publish mine.I’ll admit when I’m wrong though.
I’m going to make an educated guess, based on the evidence thus far, that whatever you or your friend got banned most, if not all, will consider twattish and deserved of a ban.
 


Talby

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Dec 24, 2023
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The club is entitled to protect its brand and those associated with the brand. That’s pretty much standard business practice isn’t it? I agree what constitutes bringing the club into disrepute, I amusingly recall the actual language is besmirch, is a matter of opinion but all the cases I have heard of have been fair in their assessment. Can you give an example where this isnt? Otherwise this is a somewhat pointless and theoretical discussion.
I genuinely don't understand why this has to be repeatedly explained to people.
I completely understand it. As you say it’s a matter of opinion and I respect those of other fans. What I don’t respect is any double standards, not following protocols or decisions made based on the morals of individuals, that’s too loose in terms of interpretation. Reputation goes both ways - how we act, and the club too. Hearing about a 17 year old not being let in the ground because he was spotted having a beer (with his dad) is taking things to level of morality that I find baffling.
 






Colonel Mustard

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It won't. The remit of the regulator is actually very narrow. That doesn't stop the Premier League from trying to narrow it even further though, which IMO is counterproductive. The legislation is due to go to Parliament and could potentially be passed by June. However, we could have a new government by then, who are less willing to listen to the Premier League's pet lobbyists who are from the right of the politicial spectrum.
Likely, yes but this is also a danger in that a new administration often clears the decks of half-chewed legislation. Labour won’t gain anything by abandoning it completely but it’s the sort of proposal that won’t be seen as high priority for a new government. So it might get kicked into the long grass.
 


El Presidente

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Likely, yes but this is also a danger in that a new administration often clears the decks of half-chewed legislation. Labour won’t gain anything by abandoning it completely but it’s the sort of proposal that won’t be seen as high priority for a new government. So it might get kicked into the long grass.
Fair point!
 






Talby

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Dec 24, 2023
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History suggests this is the point where the conversation becomes a lot less specific.
And quite rightly. Why on Earth would I expose myself to more scrutiny? I’ve got others on here suggesting I’ve behaved like a twat so probably deserve some punishment. on the other side, if I am not careful I could be accused of trying to undermine the reputation of the club.
 


Super Steve Earle

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Yet the lyrics don't achieve this, so why have them? Plus, it really doesn't matter
If the lyrics aren't on screen I can't sing along. So I say keep the them. Why do people keep trying to make the positive of showing the lyrics in to a negative.
 








Herr Tubthumper

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I completely understand it. As you say it’s a matter of opinion and I respect those of other fans. What I don’t respect is any double standards, not following protocols or decisions made based on the morals of individuals, that’s too loose in terms of interpretation. Reputation goes both ways - how we act, and the club too. Hearing about a 17 year old not being let in the ground because he was spotted having a beer (with his dad) is taking things to level of morality that I find baffling.
Okay, now we know what the issue is. How long is/was the ban for?
 


Guinness Boy

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And quite rightly. Why on Earth would I expose myself to more scrutiny? I’ve got others on here suggesting I’ve behaved like a twat so probably deserve some punishment. on the other side, if I am not careful I could be accused of trying to undermine the reputation of the club.
On the contrary you’ve been here a week and done nothing but post about two issues, the Post Office IT thread and spamming this one with insinuation about the club.

It appears you have an agenda but not the balls to back it up with fact. Frankly it’s time to 💩 or get off the pot.

As for the “17 year old drinking” we’ll need a bit more information than ‘you’ve heard’. This isn’t Facebook, nor is it the place to post allegations about the club you can’t back up.

Nonetheless, my son is 17 and I don’t let him have beer at the Amex because it would risk the club’s alcohol licence and I’d expect a ban for both of us if he was caught. I’m not a prude, he drinks at home sometimes and was on the beer in the Dam. But I don’t want either of us losing our ticket or the club losing their licence. I expect anyone who works in the licensed selling of alcohol would understand the club’s position (if it was true).
 


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