[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Machiavelli]

There's only one thing mind blowing about those numbers.

Karl Marx had an assessment of rural life that you might just be thinking of

 

[schmunk]

who would vote for another five years of corrupt incompetence? or incompetent corruption?

Any right-minded, patriotic, Englishman or woman who doesn't want to see their country fall into the hands of Jeremy Corbyn's unholy cabal of swarthy transgender immigrant traveller liberal elite scrounging workshy godless Islamists. That's who.

 

[WATFORD zero]

*** Trying to stay out of a Brexit 'debate' because it's all done now - for good or bad *** BUT plenty of left wing people voted for Brexit as well as right wing.

I suspect that the 'debate' about what to do about the various disasters set in motion by Brexit will continue all the while those disasters are destroying aspects of Britain, so a good few decades yet.

Although if you have any ideas on managing the raging inflation, rocketing food costs, putting import controls in place, maintaining animal rights, farming standards, the NI situation, stopping ever increasing immigration, rescuing the fishing industry, exporters, etc etc I really think we should pick them up here The Brexit Thread rather than take this thread off topic.

But I completely understand if you would rather not and would prefer to simply walk away from it all

 

[Si Gull]

who would vote for another five years of corrupt incompetence? or incompetent corruption?

41% FFS, what goes on in their minds? Almost half of them would still vote Tory despite EVERYTHING that's happened in the last 10 years, but even worse, the last 5 years. It beggars belief.

 

[Stat Brother]

who would vote for another five years of corrupt incompetence? or incompetent corruption?

41% of those polled - staggering.

 

[A1X]

Any right-minded, patriotic, Englishman or woman who doesn't want to see their country fall into the hands of Jeremy Corbyn's unholy cabal of swarthy transgender immigrant traveller liberal elite scrounging workshy godless Islamists. That's who.

This works even better if the instrumental of Rule Britannia is played as it's read out

 

[A1X]

41% FFS, what goes on in their minds? Almost half of them would still vote Tory despite EVERYTHING that's happened in the last 10 years, but even worse, the last 5 years. It beggars belief.

41% of those polled - staggering.

You have to remember these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of rural England.

You know...morons.

 

[Stat Brother]

You have to remember these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of rural England.

You know...morons.

The people hit hardest by this government!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

41% of those polled - staggering.

Edit: rural voters...ok.....

 

[Nobby]

Any right-minded, patriotic, Englishman or woman who doesn't want to see their country fall into the hands of Jeremy Corbyn's unholy cabal of swarthy transgender immigrant traveller liberal elite scrounging workshy godless Islamists. That's who.

Hang on hang on,
What happened to the coalition of chaos or the Guardian reading, tofu eating wokerati?
Are they not still a threat?

 

[The Clamp]

Any right-minded, patriotic, Englishman or woman who doesn't want to see their country fall into the hands of Jeremy Corbyn's unholy cabal of swarthy transgender immigrant traveller liberal elite scrounging workshy godless Islamists. That's who.

You could have saved yourself a few minute and just typed “Twats”.

 

[The Clamp]

Man of the people, Sunak, enjoys another trip in an RAF helicopter. As he himself said a fortnight ago, people are over caring how rich someone is….

Sunak takes RAF chopper to Dover, just over an hour away by train | Rishi Sunak | The Guardian

Prime minister shows his fondness for helicopters again a week after flying in one to his Yorkshire constituency

amp.theguardian.com

It’s truly remarkable how much he is over caring how poor people are.

Use the bloody lot of them as shark bait.

 

[BenGarfield]

How is this possible?
Haven't we reached the Sunny uplands yet?

Because, like The Bank of Englands Mann, quoted in the article, they are economic illiterates. Unfortunately, so are the "opposition", so dont hold your breath for any sunny uplands.

 

[Randy McNob]

You have to give it to the Tories...

They've driven up inflation and interest rates
They've created labour shortages
They've imposed trade sanctions on us
And they're doubled immigration from the EU days

But at least the national debt is down, isn't it?

Here is the debt graph. Pretty self explanatory, just look at the point they came to power in 2010 and now.

 

[beorhthelm]

Here is the debt graph. Pretty self explanatory, just look at the point they came to power in 2010 and now.

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you can really see where the austerity kicks in around 2014.

 

[BenGarfield]

Here is the debt graph. Pretty self explanatory, just look at the point they came to power in 2010 and now.

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Why does this matter? National debt is just the historical difference between what the government spends and its tax take. Government finance is not like a households.

 

[MJsGhost]

Here is the debt graph. Pretty self explanatory, just look at the point they came to power in 2010 and now.

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As much as I despise the Tories, I don't think the dates quite support the idea that everything was fine with regards to national debt until they came to power.

Just going by your graph, the figures for c 2000 to 2008 are in the 25-35% range, then well up in 2009, and again in 2010. Given the time lag of policy hitting the numbers, I don't think they can really be held accountable until 2011 and by then there was a clear trend (as we know, started by the financial crisis of 2008).

 

[BenGarfield]

As much as I despise the Tories, I don't think the dates quite support the idea that everything was fine with regards to national debt until they came to power.

Just going by your graph, the figures for c 2000 to 2008 are in the 25-35% range, then well up in 2009, and again in 2010. Given the time lag of policy hitting the numbers, I don't think they can really be held accountable until 2011 and by then there was a clear trend (as we know, started by the financial crisis of 2008).

What level of public debt do you regard as "fine" as a matter of interest?

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

What level of public debt do you regard as "fine" as a matter of interest?

I reckon about 26 trillion pounds is about right. After all national debt is different from household debt

 

[beorhthelm]

What level of public debt do you regard as "fine" as a matter of interest?

i'd go with 0 as a target. every billion borrowed means interest payments that are not going on services. about £80bn currently being paid.