Tories lost Dover to Labour.
Massively voted for Brexit. Now angry they’re still getting immigrants and have coaches lined up outside their front doors.
Tories lost Dover to Labour.
New lovely lorry park too...Massively voted for Brexit. Now angry they’re still getting immigrants and have coaches lined up outside their front doors.
If there are two things I can't imagine, it's a nervous Gullis and a nervous JRM.There will be several prominent Tory MPs looking at these results somewhat nervously today. Jonathan Gullis and Jacob Rees-Mogg most notably.
The things all went wrong because (Cameron called; the public voted for; the mess of) Brexit narrative is widespread. It's also a load of old baloney. Things went wrong because the British electorate bought the austerity nonsense and, before that, the prior neoliberal iteration of it stretching all the way back through 'beyond left and right' Blair, 'family values' Major and all the way back to you know who. You go through all that, throw in Osborne's austerity as the context, you get Brexit.This is literally the line the Tories were pedalling on Today this morning when it’s their own vote that’s been decimated. Labour continues to make gains. I think we can all see where your affections really lie, it comes over in all your political posts.
But I should probably remind you anyway that the Con Lib coalition got plenty of things done from 2010 and led to a succession of Tory only governments rather than Labour getting in. Things only really got bad when Cameron lost Brexit and May couldn’t implement it. Cue another election and a huge Tory majority which has been completely hamstrung by people who can’t follow their own rules or keep their dicks in their pants. Three Prime Ministers later and we’re all living hand to mouth.
While I agree with this, this is what happens two-thirds of the way through your fifth term and into the fourteenth year in office. Labour have never got that far.Conservatives a busted flush. The interesting thing for me is not so much the somewhat mediocre Labour recovery, but how the Tories are getting dismissed from all sides.
A very much kick them out local election result and a lot of tactical voting going on.
If you haven't much of a clue what Labour policies are, I'm damned if I know what the Lib Dems are, but they had a very very good night.
That's the real issue at CCHQ. They can spin all they like regarding how Labour didn't do as well as they wanted. But the penny must have dropped at how despised they are by the majority of the electorate.
The best they can hope for is a small Labour majority, recover in opposition and come back at some point.
Their nightmare scenario is a coalition between Labour and a significant Lib Dem vote which manages to get a change in the electoral system over the line.
While I agree with this, this is what happens two-thirds of the way through your fifth term and into the fourteenth year in office. Labour have never got that far.
That said, doubt any other government has left such a devastating trail of destruction in their wake.
Couldn't agree more about the electoral system, although that's only a small piece in a rather large jigsaw.
You seem to have more faith in the electorate than I do. I'm currently expecting that next year too many voters will think 'I voted labour/lib dem last year, and they ain't done nuthin for me, I'm gonna vote Tory in the GE'.After today's result it clear the Tories are finished. What's not so clear is what replaces them. The message today is anything but.
Hard to predict next election, but I suspect it will be two fingers up to politicians with Labour given the benefit of the doubt. It will be the Tories economic record that kills them.
I live in a very cake and eat it location. Traditionally votes in a Labour MP and a Tory Council. I live in Wandsworth, left Clapham years ago.You seem to have more faith in the electorate than I do. I'm currently expecting that next year too many voters will think 'I voted labour/lib dem last year, and they ain't done nuthin for me, I'm gonna vote Tory in the GE'.
That’s a “things went wrong” from a values and philosophy point of view.The things all went wrong because (Cameron called; the public voted for; the mess of) Brexit narrative is widespread. It's also a load of old baloney. Things went wrong because the British electorate bought the austerity nonsense and, before that, the prior neoliberal iteration of it stretching all the way back through 'beyond left and right' Blair, 'family values' Major and all the way back to you know who. You go through all that, throw in Osborne's austerity as the context, you get Brexit.
Hugely distressing.
Ah - the Cameron line from more than 10 years ago. About as tired and irrelevant as this current government.It's incredibly exciting isn't it! - in less than 18 months, Kier will be in Downing Street and England will be ruled from Scotland. Least, that's what I'll be voting for - wont you?
In my experience where I am, Liberal Democrats can be and are every bit as radical as anyone else. I couldn’t ever see my constituency - Winchester - going Labour, but it has in the past been strongly Liberal. And a lot of moderate but traditional Tories locally will be enormously uncomfortable with much of what the current government is doing, particularly around immigration and public services.Problem for Starmer is that I think that your bog standard Lib Dem voter is actually quite Conservative and views the party as a "safe space" from Tory extremism.
He has to do more to win those type of voter. On balance I think he's done quite well to shake off the Corbyn era.
I definitely think there is a potential Back To The Future reboot where Starmer travels back to the 1970s and meets a young Corbyn.
It seems more obvious than ever from these elections that there are places where Lib Dem’s are the major opponent of the Tories - Bracknell for example - and others where it’s Labour. would that be enough to make Labour the biggest party, and capable of forming a government with bigger LibDem presence as well.Lewis Goodall pointed out that Labour would need a swing similar to that which Blair gained in 1997 simply to reach an overall majority of 1. This makes talk of a Labour majority seem pretty fanciful. However, a Labour government is looking far more likely, as the Tories simply haven’t got anybody left to form a coalition with. Pretty much everybody is now lined up against them.
LidDem to be a coalition partner following big gains in the south? A referendum on an end to FPTP as a precondition of entering into any agreement? I’d take that. Would love to see off FPTP so I can vote Green usefully and not just as a Woking based hissy fit.