[Albion] Vile racist language in the South Stand

[birthofanorange]

Simply case of safe-guarding. I think you have misread my post. I'll explain again:

If a person has a mental health issue that includes an imperative to commit sexual assault, they should not be mixing freely with the public, including kids in a football stadium.

If, for example, I had Tourette's and a tendency to shout obscenities, I would not be allowed to give lectures to students.

Likewise the kid shouting racist abuse at a football match does not get a free pass because of mental health issues.

I don't think I can make myself any more clear.

I'm not sure what your problem is but your replies and comments on this thread are frankly bizarre. Why not explain your take on a 7 year old shouting racist abuse at the football while their family stands idly by? I don't think it is acceptable. You?

Having read back my comments/replies I can only agree with you about a lot of them, for which I apologise to both yourself and others on this thread, who I insulted.
I can only put this down to a 'bad hair day'...or something, but again, my apologies to all.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Having read back my comments/replies I can only agree with you about a lot of them, for which I apologise to both yourself and others on this thread, who I insulted.
I can only put this down to a 'bad hair day'...or something, but again, my apologies to all.

No worries mate. Your reasonable posts over the years made me think it was just a missread.

Edit: bad peel day?

 

[REDTOP]

You’ve provided the context of why the boy was so incredibly abusive. Tough call but would you prefer that he is not allowed to watch games at the Amex?

Personally, I’d not take my son if he spoke like that but perhaps I’m a bad parent for not putting him first? No easy solution here.

L

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

It arises multiple times daily, which is why now the reason people are blasé about it and have switched off on the subject, actually it's the multiple times and the language used when demanding compensation for it.

MY CHILD IS AUTISTIC in caps, followed by an aggressive email is not uncommon, in fact you can instantly tell the ones who really need help by the tone of the email.

The question asked was why it's being dumbed down, I'm just giving reasons why.

I'm sure it’s not uncommon across other industries as well.

It arises multiple times daily, which is why now the reason people are blasé about it and have switched off on the subject, actually it's the multiple times and the language used when demanding compensation for it.

MY CHILD IS AUTISTIC in caps, followed by an aggressive email is not uncommon, in fact you can instantly tell the ones who really need help by the tone of the email.

The question asked was why it's being dumbed down, I'm just giving reasons why.

I'm sure its not uncommon across other industries as well.

Personally I have never met parents of an autistic child who would behave in such a way. I have had many meetings with such parents over the years and many wouldn’t have that kind of confidence. Having said that I have never worked in this field in the South East of England which is a much more middle class area than I am used to. No scientific basis for this. Just an observation.

 

[birthofanorange]

No worries mate. Your reasonable posts over the years made me think it was just a missread.

Edit: bad peel day?

Pith off!

 

[Publius Ovidius]

To be fair, I don’t think in ages I have heard so much use of the C word yesterday around us!

I know people were frustrated but it was totally over the top yesterday and yes there are women and kids as well as a world renown left wing comedian in the vicinity and it just got Ridiculous! There was even a few people kicking the chairs in front, which seemed very odd

we all use the f word at times but this was not pleasant.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I come across it daily, people using it as a reason to be treated differently than others beyond the normal processes in place (which should always be followed).

One off the top of my head is an aircraft change, I can assure you every change I deal with leads to at least one set of parents demanding an upgrade in cabin class due to this happening as their child (or all) are on the spectrum as it's triggered them, you investigate this slightly and they get annoyed you've dared question it.

What do you think certain peoples reactions are now they hear the word autism after dealing with things like that daily are? as previously said I feel sad for the people who have kids with serious autism, selfish people using the line "my child has autism" for the latest issue or a hunt for compensation has made their life harder.

It takes a great deal of effort and time to get a kid properly diagnosed and supported for 'behavioural' mental health issues. Our teenager has ADHD but that is a 'diagnosis' accepted by the school without any proper medical back up, owing to the 3 year wait for specialist assessment. I have never heard of a parent inappropriately excusing a kid's behaviour (as in 'don't criticise' rather than 'can you cut us a bit of slack here while I sort it out?') because they have autism, let alone using this as a bridge to litigation.

The very idea is pejorative, and reminds me of the comments, back in the 80s, about the quest to have homosexuality legalized, as in: 'now they have it legalized they'll want it made compulsory, next'. I'm sure you didn't mean it like that, but....

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Personally I have never met parents of an autistic child who would behave in such a way. I have had many meetings with such parents over the years and many wouldn’t have that kind of confidence. Having said that I have never worked in this field in the South East of England which is a much more middle class area than I am used to. No scientific basis for this. Just an observation.

I honestly don't think the majority of people who have kids with autism are like as I've described above, which was my point about section of people making it harder for those parents.

It takes a great deal of effort and time to get a kid properly diagnosed and supported for 'behavioural' mental health issues. Our teenager has ADHD but that is a 'diagnosis' accepted by the school without any proper medical back up, owing to the 3 year wait for specialist assessment. I have never heard of a parent inappropriately excusing a kid's behaviour (as in 'don't criticise' rather than 'can you cut us a bit of slack here while I sort it out?') because they have autism, let alone using this as a bridge to litigation.

The very idea is pejorative, and reminds me of the comments, back in the 80s, about the quest to have homosexuality legalized, as in: 'now they have it legalized they'll want it made compulsory, next'. I'm sure you didn't mean it like that, but....

With the example above would you be onto the airline demanding compensation within 30 mins with an aircraft change?

I understand how it looks, it's not meant to be a slight a people like yourselves, but an example as to why people switch off to it as some people are using it as a buzz word as they will think they will get something, it really shouldn't but it's what happens.

 

[Albion my Albion]

what a facetious response. if you aren't going to reply in good faith then don't bother please

That would remove 2/3 of the posts on NSC.

 

[Guinness Boy]

To be fair, I don’t think in ages I have heard so much use of the C word yesterday around us!

I know people were frustrated but it was totally over the top yesterday and yes there are women and kids as well as a world renown left wing comedian in the vicinity and it just got Ridiculous! There was even a few people kicking the chairs in front, which seemed very odd

we all use the f word at times but this was not pleasant.

Should have been at Palace then

In all seriousness there was a lot of that yesterday. Ref and their players being called it, bloke in the train queue repeatedly using it for pushers in and Fulham fans. I think we all agree that their players were cheats, the ref frustrating, British people queue and away fans celebrating are annoying and an odd c-bomb is certainly within my own vocabulary, but using it as punctuation is a bit much. I wouldn’t have dreamed of starting a thread about it though.

 

[jackalbion]

paul barber is responsible for the failure of guardian to control the language of his impaired dependant ...?? ffs..? wtf is wrong with you people...?? and how is he going to "deal" with it ....exactly...?? ban the kid ? fine the guardian ? put signs up everywhere saying "racist language is naughty, don't do it" why did the OP not just turn round and say something like "do you mind " , " leave it out " or just a plain and simple STFU....!!

Another sound and reasonably well thought out, articulate response from another Southern Hemisphere chum.

 

[jackalbion]

To be fair, I don’t think in ages I have heard so much use of the C word yesterday around us!

I know people were frustrated but it was totally over the top yesterday and yes there are women and kids as well as a world renown left wing comedian in the vicinity and it just got Ridiculous! There was even a few people kicking the chairs in front, which seemed very odd

we all use the f word at times but this was not pleasant.

I was a big fan of someone shouting “he’s lost control” at the referee, followed by someone else shouting “like joy division”

 

[Deleted member 37369]

Just a thought ... and apologies if someone has already mentioned this in the 16 pages of posts.

There is an Anti Social Hotline for reporting incidents - you text location, description and nature of issue to 07880 196442

Maybe an option for reporting something like this so stewards could go to the area in question and listen out themselves.

I've not used it - so don't know how effective it is with response times etc.

 

[Paxton Dazo]

Another sound and reasonably well thought out, articulate response from another Southern Hemisphere chum.

Would be fair to say he’s a part time lover of BHAFC.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I honestly don't think the majority of people who have kids with autism are like as I've described above, which was my point about section of people making it harder for those parents.




With the example above would you be onto the airline demanding compensation within 30 mins with an aircraft change?

I understand how it looks, it's not meant to be a slight a people like yourselves, but an example as to why people switch off to it as some people are using it as a buzz word as they will think they will get something, it really shouldn't but it's what happens.

You are correct in that it does make things harder when some people are happy to use autism as a "get out of jail free" type card in certain situations, thankfully no one I know would ever do that. I know this will sound bad as a parent of an autistic child but I do question if those people are even being truthful about the autism as it's an easy excuse to make.

The problem for parents of autistic children is that even the slightest thing can trigger a meltdown. So in the case of something like a change of aircraft or a delay while flying, that has the potential to be very stressful for someone with autism and lets face it air travel is stressful for most of us anyway. However most parents I know would be far too busy trying to calm the child and re-assure them that everything is ok than worrying about demands of free upgrades etc.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

You are correct in that it does make things harder when some people are happy to use autism as a "get out of jail free" type card in certain situations, thankfully no one I know would ever do that. I know this will sound bad as a parent of an autistic child but I do question if those people are even being truthful about the autism as it's an easy excuse to make.

The problem for parents of autistic children is that even the slightest thing can trigger a meltdown. So in the case of something like a change of aircraft or a delay while flying, that has the potential to be very stressful for someone with autism and lets face it air travel is stressful for most of us anyway. However most parents I know would be far too busy trying to calm the child and re-assure them that everything is ok than worrying about demands of free upgrades etc.

Maybe you can answer a question and help me understand a bit more.

Would you have told a child about the original plane type, would this help as part of the journey you undertake?

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Maybe you can answer a question and help me understand a bit more.

Would you have told a child about the original plane type, would this help as part of the journey you undertake?

I probably would have told my older son, as it would be of interest to him and he'd be interested in looking at the technical aspects of the aircraft, however a change of aircraft, while it may lead to some questions, wouldn't be likely to cause a meltdown.

My younger son while he wouldn't necessarily be bothered about the aircraft, he would like to know where he is sitting etc. If that changed because of the change of aircraft, say for instance he couldn't have a window seat, that would be very likely to trigger a meltdown. In fact even a delay would be likely to cause stress and cause a meltdown in him, but as I said my priority would be re-assuring him and calming him down. Me ranting and raving about his autism and how we need an upgrade as he's upset is likely to have a further adverse effect on him and actually make things worse for me.

 

[nickjhs]

If it's a known fact, then you tolerate it - anything else is unthinkable.

Why? What is it about an ASD that makes this kind of behaviour unavoidable and therefore acceptable?

 

[nickjhs]

I'm amazed by this take. Especially with some experience. We aren't talking about your feelings. Of course it COULD be a mitigating factor. it really depends on the person.

Yep after I wrote this I thought it is a mitigating factor but only in the way it is dealt with and the type of consequences. The course of action can only be determined by those with intimate knowledge of the situation but one thing I am sure about is that it should not be hand-waved away with "oh well that's having an ASD for you"

 

[maresfield seagull]

To be fair, I don’t think in ages I have heard so much use of the C word yesterday around us!

I know people were frustrated but it was totally over the top yesterday and yes there are women and kids as well as a world renown left wing comedian in the vicinity and it just got Ridiculous! There was even a few people kicking the chairs in front, which seemed very odd

we all use the f word at times but this was not pleasant.

Sorry Dave my use of profanity’s was excessive
I was a tad vexed by the persistent feigning of head injury by the opposition and the inability of the referee to control the situation