Dick Swiveller
Well-known member
- Sep 9, 2011
- 9,173
I bought one of them. It was rubbish. It just assumed I wanted a goatee and refused to accept the theory that I might want a full shave.
[Politics] US military shoots down another unidentified flying object
- Thread starter Diallo
- Start date
Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊
Yeah that pretty much covers it
South Oz Seagull
Well-known member
Science and its practitioners are so arrogant and limited, for something that hasn't been with humanity for very long. We need science and logical positivism, but it's not the be all and end all.
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
Why is it assumed any alien would be so advanced in technology? So far all they have come up with is a balloon
SeagullinExile
Well-known member
Hmm. Not according to the UAP task force & the Pentagon. Just a couple of YouTubers that get paid for clicks.
Where have the UAP said that those videos are wrong? The video footage is poor and it's not possible to identify exactly what they are. So what?
I guess a choice between a plausible, science based, rational explanation and ALIENS, ALIENS wins hands down every time.
- Oct 17, 2008
- 10,820
South Oz Seagull
Well-known member
Plausible, science based, rational explanation fanboys and people screaming ALIENS, ALIENS are both stabbing in the dark at the moment, until we actually have something to work with.
SeagullinExile
Well-known member
They haven’t. The objects are still classified as unknown, so nothing has been debunked. It’s just another unproven theory that may or may not be correct. I have made no conclusions myself, it’s just one of many interesting cases.
The idea that it is in any way proof of aliens visiting has been debunked. Filming something badly, so that it can't be seen what you've filmed, creates a UAP. That will always be the case, and isn't particularly interesting. You asked what my thoughts on the videos were. I find the video explaining how images can look like that to be the most logical explanation, and that there's really nothing of note to see in the UAP videos.
SeagullinExile
Well-known member
What’s far fetched is to assume that if alien spacecraft are here, they have travelled from systems 100 light years away by conventional means. Bonkers!
Many of the UAPs documented by the Americans don’t ‘fly’ in a conventional way. They don’t move in a way that our understanding of science can explain. If these phenomena are real aliens (or us from the future), they are surely getting here by manipulating spacetime so point A (starting point) is engineered to be very close to point B (destination).
I don’t think spacetime is a fundamental component of reality, it’s a consequence of something else.
South Oz Seagull
Well-known member
You're onto something here by questioning the space travel hypothesis however, there's a bigger picture at work. There is some sort of phenomenum but no-one knows what it it. People assume "aliens" but that's just a dumb-arse label. We simply don't know what it is. It may be something else yet again that's beyond our comprehension at this point. What makes me really laugh is when television networks drag out some "expert" who says it's the planet Venus or a flock of starlings or some other idiotic explanation, but they don't really know and they're too full of themselves to say so.
If people can overcome their dismissive approach to unusual phenomena, it's worth having a look at some of Jacques Vallée's work:
Jacques Vallée Still Doesn’t Know What UFOs Are
After six globe-trotting decades spent probing “the phenomenon,” the French information scientist is sure of only one thing: The truth is really, really out there.
Having said all this, regarding the current cases we have to see what comes out of the American analyses of these things once they're all retrieved and then we have to hope they tell the truth about their findings, which is less than likely unfortunately.
SeagullinExile
Well-known member
- Apr 19, 2018
- 1,889
Thanks for sharing that. Jacques Vallée in that article echoes a bit of what Stephen Hawking spoke about too I think. I'm not expecting these latest objects to be anything remarkable beyond the way and location in which they were deployed, but some of the stuff that dives into how little we understand of the nature of reality and consciousness as he and Hawking do feels like it'll end up giving us the most plausible explanation, at some point, for some of the phenomena.You're onto something here by questioning the space travel hypothesis however, there's a bigger picture at work. There is some sort of phenomenum but no-one knows what it it. People assume "aliens" but that's just a dumb-arse label. We simply don't know what it is. It may be something else yet again that's beyond our comprehension at this point. What makes me really laugh is when television networks drag out some "expert" who says it's the planet Venus or a flock of starlings or some other idiotic explanation, but they don't really know and they're too full of themselves to say so.
If people can overcome their dismissive approach to unusual phenomena, it's worth having a look at some of Jacques Vallée's work:
Jacques Vallée Still Doesn’t Know What UFOs Are
After six globe-trotting decades spent probing “the phenomenon,” the French information scientist is sure of only one thing: The truth is really, really out there.www.wired.com
Having said all this, regarding the current cases we have to see what comes out of the American analyses of these things once they're all retrieved and then we have to hope they tell the truth about their findings, which is less than likely unfortunately.
Reminds me of the UFO's being spotted over Scotland in the 80's and 90's.
Turned out to be the stealth bomber.
Turned out to be the stealth bomber.
Who said that they'd traveled by conventional means? I went with the notion that they were traveling at the speed of light. Maybe that's conventional to you.
Traveling back in time and engineering points in space are science fiction. If you want to believe that's happening, go ahead, but we don't have any evidence supporting it. We also don't have evidence of anything flying in a non conventional way.
