[Politics] If there was a general election tomorrow

[Bold Seagull]

That may stand up during his time in tenure (and I liked Blair) but the spending left the economy very exposed to then what happened in Brown's leadership. Hence the infamous "there is nothing left" note left in number 11.

Just do a bit or research. Take your Tory hat off for a second, and just look at the evidence, then you won't have to make these incorrect tired old arguments.

 

[JBizzle]

They might even have to explain how they'll be paid for too

Why? The Tories never have to justify spaffing billions on botched PPE contracts, ferry deals with companies that don't own ferries, contracts to cronies for knighthoods etc. It's amazing how Labour's "magic money tree" was such a threat to people's budgetary concerns when actual wastage of money on a staggering scale doesn't cause any issues.

"What if" always seems to be a much bigger concern that's what's actually happening...

 

[Napper]

pretty conclusive on here despite it being traditionally a tory board.

Shame on the 53 that still said Tory. Been in a cave for the last 2 year ?

 

[m@goo]

Opinions have changed a bit since I asked recently...

https://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?391802-Next-PM-(proper-poll)&highlight=

 

[beorhthelm]

"What if" always seems to be a much bigger concern that's what's actually happening...

absolutly! being promised spending of £500bn without saying exactly on what does raise some questions about sustainability. the fact the others do more spending than expected once in office just means we should be ever more wary of what is promised.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Unfortunately, I've been reduced to tactical voting for the last couple of elections. I live in Seaford and you'd need a crowbar to get Maria Caulfield out of that seat. Labour have little or no chance, but the Lib Dems have been gaining year on year.

Although I don't generally like playing that game, a Lib/Lab coalition may well be the only way the Conservatives get ousted and I feel that at the moment the damage being done by this government to our system of democracy and our country far outweighs my discomfort over tactical voting.

She only had a 2K majority in the 2019 election, and it only went Tory in 2015. Norman Baker was the LibDem MP for a long time before that. James McCleary (head of Lewes council) is the LD candidate for the next election. He's a good bloke.

Those who are saying they would still vote Tory, should think back three years when Johnson & his cabal stabbed Theresa May in the back by constantly voting against her deal, and then got decent Tories like Dominic Grieve, Philip Hammond plus 19 others thrown out by local parliamentary parties.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49563357

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The adults are talking here. Save the witless one-liners for the pit.

Really , you either believe in something or you don't, why people float around wasting their votes is beyond me I'd rather not vote if that was the case

Regards
DF

 

[Giraffe]

im curious after your initial reasoning what makes you think a Burnham Labour would do better on the economy than Starmer Labour?

Compare the two cvs. Burnham has far more experience. And frankly I like the bloke. If Starmer won, he'd be a rabbit in the headlights. And don't even get me started on the shadow cabinet. Burnham has a great record in his current role. I think he knows what he is doing.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Really , you either believe in something or you don't, why people float around wasting their votes is beyond me I'd rather not vote if that was the case

Regards
DF

And did it ever occur to you that one thing that lots of people believe in is not having a Tory in charge? Especially given how egregious, mendacious, maladroit and capricious the current lot are.

If people vote tactically, it's because of First Past the Post. If we had Proportional Representation instead then it would really be pointless.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

pretty conclusive on here despite it being traditionally a tory board.

Shame on the 53 that still said Tory. Been in a cave for the last 2 year ?

Traditionally Tory board ... nice one [emoji1][emoji106]

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[Green Cross Code Man]

Probably Green. Not due to supporting them specifically or knowing their policies, but as a protest vote as I want the main parties to continue with more environmentally friendly policies themselves.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Traditionally Tory board ... nice one [emoji1][emoji106]

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Absolutely clueless comment wasn't it, the board is definitely left of centre.

 

[stewart12]

as someone who has worked with vulnerable adults for the bulk of the time that we've had a Tory government I can assure you that a Tory vote is not a vote to protect vulnerable people

there are plenty of reasons for people to vote Tory which I understand (not that I would do it myself). But to claim that you're doing it to protect the most vulnerable in our society is absolutely ludicrous

 

[JBizzle]

Really , you either believe in something or you don't, why people float around wasting their votes is beyond me I'd rather not vote if that was the case

Regards
DF

I do believe in something: that the Tories are ruining this country. If my vote contributes to a Liberal Democrat getting elected to Maria Caulfield's seat or reduces her majority, it's not a wasted vote at all.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

That may stand up during his time in tenure (and I liked Blair) but the spending left the economy very exposed to then what happened in Brown's leadership. Hence the infamous "there is nothing left" note left in number 11.

This was a joke, The note was left by Liam Byrne to the incoming treasury secretary. The tradition is to leave a handover note with some helpful advice for your successor.
A similar message was left by a previous Tory to Labour Treasury Secretary of "Good luck mate.. Sorry to leave it all in such a mess".

It was a badly judged joke and the Tories made maximum capital out of it.

The right wing press make sure their soundbites stick.
From this we were then led to believe the state of the economy was solely due to Labour spending.
It was then and still is bollox.

The two parties have ideological differences.

Labour believe you grow the economy by investing in public works
Tories believe you cut the arse out of public sector and flog it off to private enterprise.

If you're lucky the global economy is forgiving to your policies at the time you are in power.

 

[nwgull]

Absolutely clueless comment wasn't it, the board is definitely left of centre.

Probably more left-leaning centrist than anything relative the national opinion. Compare the results of the NSC poll to recent YouGov polls done over last 2 days, and the NSC result is: Cons -7%; Labour -2.5%; Libs +11.5 and Green +4.5%.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This was a joke, The note was left by Liam Byrne to the incoming treasury secretary. The tradition is to leave a handover note with some helpful advice for your successor.
A similar message was left by a previous Tory to Labour Treasury Secretary of "Good luck mate.. Sorry to leave it all in such a mess".

It was a badly judged joke and the Tories made maximum capital out of it.

The right wing press make sure their soundbites stick.
From this we were then led to believe the state of the economy was solely due to Labour spending.
It was then and still is bollox.

The two parties have ideological differences.

Labour believe you grow the economy by investing in public works
Tories believe you cut the arse out of public sector and flog it off to private enterprise.

If you're lucky the global economy is forgiving to your policies at the time you are in power.

Case in point

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[Pavilionaire]

I'd vote Tory. Fundamentally they are the only party that have ever shown they are capable of running the economy. Sadly everything else flows from this. If the economy goes down the pan it is the poorest who suffer most, so ironically for me a vote for Tory is a vote to look after the vulnerable. The support this Government has given through the pandemic is the most any Government has ever given and they went way beyond the level of support I ever thought a Tory Government would go to through furlough etc. They have to be given credit for that regardless of whether Boris has been out partying into the night every night. They've got the big stuff right and that's what matters to people's lives. But to clear I get the anger, but fundamentally I think labour would make a worse job, so until there is a credible opposition I'm sticking with the Tories. Get Andy Burnham in as Labour leader and I might change my mind.

In the 13 years of the last Labour government inflation never went above 3.6%. It is now 4.6%. Blair inherited an unemployment rate of 8% from the Tories and cut it to below 5% in his first Parliament.

You talk of supporting the poor yet it was Blair who introduced the National Minimum Wage and put control of interest rates away from politicians and with the Bank of England. And there is no basis to suppose Labour would have given any less financial assistance during Covid than the Tories have, indeed Starmer called for more assistance when the Tories were set to call time on furlough.

Also I do not call spunking billions on failed Track and Trace and PPE "getting the big stuff right" - the next generation will be saddled with those debts for decades to come.

Your comments are not borne out by the facts. The 13 years of Labour economic management stacks up rather well when compared to the last 11 years of Tory government.

 

[Lever]

pretty conclusive on here despite it being traditionally a tory board.

Shame on the 53 that still said Tory. Been in a cave for the last 2 year ?

Well, if you think that and others think the opposite then the Board would appear fairly balanced no matter what some might say to the contrary.....

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Flakey libralism , Green fantasists or Sir kneel potty mouth Raynor and the lovely Diane mmmmmmm its a difficult one

We all know your favourites are EDL, National Front, Britain First, or BNP.