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[JCL666]

Equality.....Do you really believe this is possible in any fair society...Do you not believe endeavour and hard work should be rewarded...Do you believe all jobs should be equally paid....

The facts from my viewpoint are UKIP have some sensible ideas probably what you call Nationalism.... Would you not prefer an Englishman to a German/American/Russian/Indian/Syrian etc getting the local Job...

I would and I believe most others would too....

A more equal society is possible in a fair society. Of course it is. I believe in equality, and I do think there should be less disparity in wages.

Do you really think that most CEOs are worth the vast salaries compared to what an average worker is paid?

As for an "Englishman" over the others. No I wouldn't prefer that (I'm English btw). I doubt people from Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and others would either.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Since when have Lib-Dems been left leaning?

If you go as far as you can to the right and then look back, you will see they are positively left wing

 

[Bold Seagull]

Since when have Lib-Dems been left leaning?

They've always been left of centre, as were the Liberals, and the SDP who were formed by 4 disenfranchised Labour Party members.

 

[El Presidente]

They've always been left of centre, as were the Liberals, and the SDP who were formed by 4 disenfranchised Labour Party members.

Surely that depends on where you define the centre?

Farage claims UKIP to be centre-right, yet none of his policies are centre.

 

[dingodan]

I think you are confusing intolerance with differing opinions. I have absolutely no problem with UKIP existing, in fact I think they are a potentially healthy thing for politics, but that shouldn't mean I shouldn't vocally condemn what they represent. Equally I understand the reasons why people support UKIP, but again I strongly believe they are wrong for varying reasons - right wing politics is all about inequality, a key value which I strongly oppose, I will always make examples of this as part of my argument against it.

You are not different to the political classes.

You are morally superior.

You understand everyone's motivations, even if they don't.

You know what's best, and how things ought to be.

If only people like you could just have power, then we could all live in the utopia which you imagine you can create.

You are a "greater good" kind of guy.

History is riddled with people like you.

Do one.

 

[Diablo]

A more equal society is possible in a fair society. Of course it is. I believe in equality, and I do think there should be less disparity in wages.

Do you really think that most CEOs are worth the vast salaries compared to what an average worker is paid?

As for an "Englishman" over the others. No I wouldn't prefer that (I'm English btw). I doubt people from Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and others would either.

CEOs can be ..ones that turn round large companies......but in a free society(which I hope you applaud) anyone can work their way up......What I do find obscene is the amount Footballers are paid..Best rumoured at £27k a

week x52 = £1.4 million


But in a free society Supply and Demand is what sets wages and prices.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Surely that depends on where you define the centre?

Farage claims UKIP to be centre-right, yet none of his policies are centre.

The centre ground is normally the gap in politics between our two main political parties. While that centre changes over time, traditionally the Liberals have always been to the left of wherever that centre is.

What Farage says UKIP are I really don't care.

 

[El Presidente]

CEOs can be ..ones that turn round large companies......but in a free society(which I hope you applaud) anyone can work their way up......What I do find obscene is the amount Footballers are paid..Best rumoured at £27k a

week x52 = £1.4 million


But in a free society Supply and Demand is what sets wages and prices.

Why focus on footballers and not bankers?

The latter have done far more damage to the UK than Leon Best.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Equality isn't about everybody being exactly the same, we are human beings, we are born different - some people want to contribute more, some people are more skilled than others, others don't want to work hard at all.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Equality is all about fairness. People can and should be fairly rewarded based on what they contribute - how hard they are willing to work, what they can do and how skilled they are at it - currently things aren't far from being opposite of that. The richest people in society often barely work at all, while the hardest workers are so frequently on low wages. Inequality is massive and increasing exponentially every year - but this is something that radical-right parties like UKIP represent.

Could we say the more people we add to our population the more inequality we create especially in this climate. If migration already drives low wages because we have an over supply of workers then what UKIP suggests in regards of capping migration from the EU to 50,000 is a good idea in my book. I know lots of people wont agree with that, but in own my mind it feels like the right thing to do.

 

[JCL666]

CEOs can be ..ones that turn round large companies......but in a free society(which I hope you applaud) anyone can work their way up......What I do find obscene is the amount Footballers are paid..Best rumoured at £27k a

week x52 = £1.4 million


But in a free society Supply and Demand is what sets wages and prices.

Incorrect.

In a free MARKET ECONOMY, supply and demand is what sets wages and prices. So I don't understand why you find footballers wages obscene. The market has decided.

A "free" society can be something else entirely, but that's another discussion.

 

[Diablo]

Why focus on footballers and not bankers?

The latter have done far more damage to the UK than Leon Best.

Possibly but I don`t watch B ankers at Amex W......rs maybe.

 

[pastafarian]

Surely that depends on where you define the centre?

Farage claims UKIP to be centre-right, yet none of his policies are centre.

UKIP`s core policy is leaving the EU,there are plenty of socialist groups in the UK also advocating leaving the EU

yet some say UKIP is radical right or even far right for having this policy

 

[El Presidente]

Could we say the more people we add to our population the more inequality we create especially in this climate. If migration already drives low wages because we have an over supply of workers then what UKIP suggests in regards of capping migration from the EU to 50,000 is a good idea in my book. I know lots of people wont agree with that, but in own my mind it feels like the right thing to do.

But migration also creates extra demand, so therefore it creates jobs too. The number currently in employment is at an all time high, and the unemployment rate at 5.6% is the lowest for seven years, despite significant migration during that period.

Unemployment in Spain is 23.6%, Greece 25.7%, France 10.2%, Italy 12.6%. Yet there is little evidence of all of these unemployed foreign nationals wanting to try their luck in the UK labour market. Similarly unemployment in the North East is far higher than in London and the South East, yet there is little evidence of Geordies decamping from their home area to move to Surrey.

UKIP's approach to everything is to dumb down the problems, which are complex and intertwined, with one simple solution, which is to blame everything on immigrants (such as Farage complaining about being late to a meeting due to too many foreigners on the road) and provide a simple solution, leaving the EU, without a full analysis of the costs and benefits.



Whether the figure UKIP quote is 50,000 or 60,000 or 100,000 it is just an arbitrary number that has zero economic research or backing.

 

[El Presidente]

Possibly but I don`t watch B ankers at Amex W......rs maybe.

But if you go to watch them, why spend time getting worked up by their wage levels?

It's the clubs that pay them, not you.

 

[Diablo]

But if you go to watch them, why spend time getting worked up by their wage levels?

It's the clubs that pay them, not you.

Not sure about that....without supporters there would be no money...and I`m not getting worked up about it...Do you think they`re worth their money?..

 

[Hastings gull]

Thing is, the majority of people are liberal/centre left/left leaning. But traditionally (and as can be seen now), those votes are split across more than one party.
Whereas typically most people who are right/centre right have voted tory, until now.

If you look at the voting intent, then the audience was representative. If it has a bias, then that it is a valid bias and reflects reality.

Thing is -where is your evidence for such a sweeping statement? Did not Tony Blair say that if the traditional left takes on the traditional right, then then you get the traditional result?! (i.e a Tory victory)

 

[El Presidente]

Not sure about that....without supporters there would be no money...and I`m not getting worked up about it...Do you think they`re worth their money?..

Absolutely. The Premier League has made an overall profit this season, so the wages are more than covered by the revenue generated. It's irrelevant looking at a single player, as fans, broadcasters, commercial sponsors buy the whole package, not Leon Best.

 

[HCxUK]

UKIP are currently forecasted to obtain a pathetic 3 seats. An irrelevant party representing the views of the misinformed.

 

[Hastings gull]

Perhaps you should be. My views are unashamedly those of tolerance, equality, environmentalism, humanitarianism, public ownership and other core left-wing values.

If you more inclined to believe in conservatism, nationalism, inequality, right-wing populism, Euroscepticism, authoritarianism and so on - then UKIP are probably the party for you.

You are also unashamedly hypocritical, so we know you are left wing! Tolerance? Humanitarianism? You are the one who goes on about millions of meaningless jobs and also when someone criticises your stance, how many times have you resorted to the old tactic of accusing them of not being on the same high wavelength as your intelligent self, and this is being polite!
Equality? I doubt very much that you believe in this for yourself. Very few people do, though they pay lip service to this lovely-sounding notion.

We're all different and have different values - I personally find the politics of the right abhorrent, selfish and often downright destructive.

Why should someone whom you label as right wing necessarily believe in inequality.

 

[BigGully]

But migration also creates extra demand, so therefore it creates jobs too. The number currently in employment is at an all time high, and the unemployment rate at 5.6% is the lowest for seven years, despite significant migration during that period.

Unemployment in Spain is 23.6%, Greece 25.7%, France 10.2%, Italy 12.6%. Yet there is little evidence of all of these unemployed foreign nationals wanting to try their luck in the UK labour market. Similarly unemployment in the North East is far higher than in London and the South East, yet there is little evidence of Geordies decamping from their home area to move to Surrey.

UKIP's approach to everything is to dumb down the problems, which are complex and intertwined, with one simple solution, which is to blame everything on immigrants (such as Farage complaining about being late to a meeting due to too many foreigners on the road) and provide a simple solution, leaving the EU, without a full analysis of the costs and benefits.



Whether the figure UKIP quote is 50,000 or 60,000 or 100,000 it is just an arbitrary number that has zero economic research or backing.

I am not having that, how do you absorb a 500 000 immigrants into a country with 1 million unemployed and somehow conclude that low unemployment is a consequence of this, how do those sums work ??

Saying the NHS or the other industries would grind to a halt without immigration doesnt wash, although accepting that we have engineered a situation where it might currently, on my travels 10/15 years ago and the occasional visit to the NHS and many hotels etc. I never once found a sign saying 'sorry we cannot serve you, we have no staff', never not once.

But still you get sneering comments like our NHS couldnt survive without them and they are doing jobs which the lazy British wouldnt, wonderful prejudice.

Immigration creates some demand but also intolerable pressure on services, services that I have paid into for a generation whereas those accessing it have not contributed nor had any previous links with this country, just giving things away doesnt make you more compassionate it makes you an easy target.