[Albion] Steele and Webster

[BadFish]

Singling out Steele when he was behind that utter car crash of a midfield and defence shows that some people have zero understanding of football. Pervis looked like he won a competition to play in a prem football match, the centre backs left Watkins constantly unmarked, and the central and wide midfield was non existent and incapable of winning a tackle or making basic passes. But let’s blame the keeper. Lol.

I don't think anyone is blaming the keeper. The point appears to be that top quality keepers will pull the team out of the shit when the defence is having a shocker. Steele isn't going to do this.

Nor is Webster.

Caicedo could do this. . . Because he is/was top quality.

To keep improving we need to uplevel some of our players. GK and Centre back are the first two positions I would focus on.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Because Webbo has taken on the unfortunate mantle as number one scapegoat since RDZ has been manager.

I've had no confidence in him virtually since he arrived, but even I feel sorry for him now.

 

[dwayne]

All of this is very sentiment driven. What even happened a few games ago doesn't matter. People are just adjusting the evidence to whatever they want to see

Bottom line Steele is a lower league plodder who has incredible distribution and the season of his life last season.

Verbruggen has the whole package ... he is very highly rated in Holland. He is young and will make mistakes but he is a serious serious keeper who has an amazing all round game, including a much better shot stopping ability than steele.
I know RDZ is good mates with steel but it's Time to give bart an extended run

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Just irritates me, if they disagree with my opinion then fair enough let’s debate. But the people who feel the need to say this thread shouldn’t exist without any reasons as to why contribute nothing.

Asked you in my response which you chose to ignore. (See post 93).

So you think the other team members are okay?

 

[Reddleman]

Asked you in my response which you chose to ignore. (See post 93).

So you think the other team members are okay?

Apologies I missed that.

On the day then no I don’t think the others were okay, Estupinan and Veltman had very bad games by their standards.

But, this thread was about Webster and Steele over the longer term, I don’t think they are playing at the level we need for where we are. Webster has had a difficult start to the season and the game on Saturday reinforced my view he’s not at the level we need, especially having watched the goals back. The ‘others’ you mention have an awful lot more credit in the bank to excuse a poor performance. I would certainly have JPVH ahead of Webster.

Steele is maybe a bit of a harsher call but I just don’t think he’s of the standard we need going forward. As I said on an earlier post today if you watch the goals back from Saturday 2/3 of them are just very average goalkeeping.

 

[macbeth]

well at least his fpl team is doing okay

 

[dwayne]

well at least his fpl team is doing okay

Wtf 🫣

 

[albionalex]

Apologies I missed that.

On the day then no I don’t think the others were okay, Estupinan and Veltman had very bad games by their standards.

But, this thread was about Webster and Steele over the longer term, I don’t think they are playing at the level we need for where we are. Webster has had a difficult start to the season and the game on Saturday reinforced my view he’s not at the level we need, especially having watched the goals back. The ‘others’ you mention have an awful lot more credit in the bank to excuse a poor performance. I would certainly have JPVH ahead of Webster.

Steele is maybe a bit of a harsher call but I just don’t think he’s of the standard we need going forward. As I said on an earlier post today if you watch the goals back from Saturday 2/3 of them are just very average goalkeeping.

Neither does the club. Hence why we signed Bart...

But he is fine for now whilst Bart settles in.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Apologies I missed that.

On the day then no I don’t think the others were okay, Estupinan and Veltman had very bad games by their standards.

But, this thread was about Webster and Steele over the longer term, I don’t think they are playing at the level we need for where we are. Webster has had a difficult start to the season and the game on Saturday reinforced my view he’s not at the level we need, especially having watched the goals back. The ‘others’ you mention have an awful lot more credit in the bank to excuse a poor performance. I would certainly have JPVH ahead of Webster.

Steele is maybe a bit of a harsher call but I just don’t think he’s of the standard we need going forward. As I said on an earlier post today if you watch the goals back from Saturday 2/3 of them are just very average goalkeeping.

I certainly don’t agree with JPvH having more credit in the bank than Webster. Even isolating Saturday as an example, the first goal was more down to Mitoma and Pervis switching off than Webster, who although admittedly partially culpable, as he failed to react to Watkins movement (as did Dunk) but was effectively sold out as soon as they’d gone inside of Mitoma.

Second Veltman sloppy pass. Steele has to do better though, but the player undoubtedly impacts on his line of vision.

Third is a foul on Solly.

Fourth, given Lamptey hadn’t tucked round, I think Webster did well to get something on it, which of course didn’t help Steele.

Fifth - think Steele got his angles wrong, unfortunate, but a mistake.

Sixth - Webbo got wrong side, but we were non-existent in terms of midfield protection, which specifically at Villa was the bigger problem rather than Steele and Webster (IMO).

Picking up the wider question, Possibly Bart is the better option going forward, but Steele has done well enough to warrant the opportunity.

JPvH may be ok one day, but lacks pace for me and positional sense. See AEK most recently. He seems to relish a physical battle, so those are the games I’d start him. Webster needs to have a run of games, and West Ham aside particularly when Milner did him no favours he is stronger on the ball, has pace and communicates.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I certainly don’t agree with JPvH having more credit in the bank than Webster. Even isolating Saturday as an example, the first goal was more down to Mitoma and Pervis switching off than Webster, who although admittedly partially culpable, as he failed to react to Watkins movement (as did Dunk) but was effectively sold out as soon as they’d gone inside of Mitoma.

Second Veltman sloppy pass. Steele has to do better though, but the player undoubtedly impacts on his line of vision.

Third is a foul on Solly.

Fourth, given Lamptey hadn’t tucked round, I think Webster did well to get something on it, which of course didn’t help Steele.

Fifth - think Steele got his angles wrong, unfortunate, but a mistake.

Sixth - Webbo got wrong side, but we were non-existent in terms of midfield protection, which specifically at Villa was the bigger problem rather than Steele and Webster (IMO).

I agree with most of this, apart form the 5th - where I'm perplexed at a keeper getting stick for a well struck goal that went in off the post

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I agree with most of this, apart form the 5th - where I'm perplexed at a keeper getting stick for a well struck goal that went in off the post

If you look he didn’t extend his arm fully, I think he genuinely thought it was going wide.
It happens. The other 10 made a lot more errors than him imo

 

[Justice]

You could say the same for Mitoma as well. Who scored has March as our best starting player today

Jeez was it that bad

 

[Robinjakarta]

Yes steele has to go now unfortunately. Just concedes too many. Verbruggen has the whole package we should be backing him as number one.

We should be backing RDZ, no?

 

[Reddleman]

Another awful piece of goalkeeping - that second one was straight at him, he’s got to save that.

 

[Mustafa II]

Another awful piece of goalkeeping - that second one was straight at him, he’s got to save that.

He's not a top level shot stopper. It's always been obvious, but it's particularly obvious when he's receiving lots of shots.

He needs to be dropped to be fair

 

[Farehamseagull]

If you’re going to do this you can swap Van Hecke’s name for Webster then. Really poor positioning.

 

[METALMICKY]

If you’re going to do this you can swap Van Hecke’s name for Webster then. Really poor positioning.

And let's not let Veltman off the hook for failing to track the runner who went inside him on the first goal

 

[Reddleman]

Wrong thread

 

[RandyWanger]

Jason's PSxG-GA this season is -0.20.

 

[albionalex]

Another awful piece of goalkeeping - that second one was straight at him, he’s got to save that.

It looks like it may have taken a deflection off the defender.