O.K, Crystal Palarse question...

[natterjack]

As are now my adopted #2 team, I need an answer to one thing.

I'm not familiar with the rivalry thing with Palace, and before I start attacking people with red/blue striped tops on, I'd like a bit of background.

I can understand the Swansea v Cardiff, liverpool V Man U, etc but why do you have a hatred with that lot? Arn't Portsmouth your nearest?

It's something thats been bugging me for a while and I havent had a serious answer from any Albion fan I've spoken to yet.

Thanks in advance

 

[itszamora]

Palace are actually very slightly nearer, but it mainly stems from games in the late 70s and 80s when we were in the same divisions. Legs were broken, v-signs were given to the crowd by managers and all kinds of general pleasantries - someone who was actually alive then will be able to fill you in much better than me!

 

[Cpt. Spavil]

whos your first team ?

 

[Djmiles]

There was a thread on here a while back which explains it all. I'm sure someone could find the link for you.

 

[Whitterz]

Goes way back to the Venables (palace) , Mullery (Albion) years. Before my time, I know the story, and the beginning of the rivalry. But it would be wrong of me to explain it, as I was not around then. My purpose is to ensure that the rivalry continues
The 5-0 walloping in 2002 re-lit the rivalry (though it never needed re-lighting) for the fans that gre up just outside the late 70's/ early 80's era.

 

[natterjack]

whos your first team ?

Swansea

 

[cardboard]

whos your first team ?

He is a Swansea fan - Natter(JACK)

 

[Whitterz]

SOURCED

Terry Venables, fresh out of coaching school under Big Mal, was the new manager at Palace and Alan Mullery was the brash boss at Brighton. Both clubs were the biggest in the old Division 3 and doing quite well.

Their styles contrasted nicely - Brighton the hottest attacking force in the Division, more likely to win 3-2 than 1-0; Palace the best defence in Division 3 - solid rather than spectacular.

Crowds at matches between the two regularly hit 25-30,000 as in the absence of other local opposition the trips up and down the M23 were the nearest either club had to a local derby.

Then it started.

The two were drawn together in one of the early rounds of the FA Cup in late 1976. The first game at the Goldstone Ground signalled the arrival onto the Palace scene of one Rachid Harkouk.

"Rash the Smash", as he was dubbed because of his penchant for long range shooting, came to the club from non-league Feltham and went on to end that season and the next as top scorer - his first ever goal for the club took this game to a replay after a 2-2 draw.

A 1-1 draw at Selhurst took the tie to a second replay at Stamford Bridge, scene of Palace's win at Chelsea the season before, where the Eagles emerged triumphant 1-0 with a Phil Holder goal and after a hotly disputed Brian Horton penalty miss.

Palace fans loved it but Brighton and Mullery in particular went ape, criticising all and sundry for the Palace encroachment at Horton's penalty that led to its being retaken (even though Horton had scored first time) and probably in frustration that his old mate Venners had outwitted him on the night.

A rivalry had been born...

From then on there was a period of sustained Palace domination against the foe. Palace went unbeaten for nearly 4 years as both clubs climbed the league together right up to the old First Division.

Peter Ward, goal poacher extraordinaire for both Brighton and England at Under-21 and I believe B level, couldn't buy a goal as Jim Cannon had him in his pocket.

The Seagulls would dominate games only to flounder against Palace resistance in the form of heroes like Harkouk, goalkeeper Tony Burns and striker Jeff Bourne.

The longer it went on the more Mullery and his captain Brian Horton (personally despised by Palace fans from his Port Vale days) hated it!

Then, in Division 1, the tide started to turn. Palace were thrashed 3-0 away on Boxing Day 1979 - a defeat that fans today still chant about (although I wonder how many of them know why?), Ward finally scored and broke the Indian sign that Cannon had held over him and Palace wouldn't win again until both clubs were back in Division 2.

Mullery amazingly changed camps in the meantime, much to the dismay of a number of many Palace fans.

As Palace's following went down, those who were left blamed Ron Noades' appointment of Mullery (replacing local hero Steve Kember) for the club's failure to make the most of once promising playing assets like Hilaire, Nicholas, Gilbert and Murphy.

On the pitch Palace's Henry Hughton's tackle that ended Gerry Ryan's career at Selhurst Park one midweek evening kept the antagonism bubbling...

Several years later, as a Steve Coppell-inspired Palace were on their way back up to Division 1, came possibly the most famous meeting between the two clubs of all. Everyone who was at Selhurst on that Easter Monday in 1989 will remember the day that referee Kelvin Morton gave no fewer than FIVE penalties!

Incredibly, Palace missed 3 out of their 4 but still won through 2-1, but Brighton fans still complain today that Morton gave them a raw deal that day and now

 

[LowKarate]

Have you ever been to Croydon? What's not to hate?

On a more historical note and in an attempt to answer your question, we came to play them regularly from about 1975 onwards. We were promoted through the divisions (3-2-1) at the same time, so we wound up playing them year after year at a time (often competing with them for promotion) when hooliganism was at all time high and so fights at each game were rife.

The real ignition point was a series of FA Cup matches in 1975/6 with some controversial incidents that sparked more rivalry between the managers as well as the fans (Brighton manager at the time, Alan Mullery, famously dismissing the palace fans as not being worth £5 which he threw on the ground).

As the 80s carried on, Palace fell away whilst we reached the cup final, but the tables turned in the mid-late 80s as they found more consistency and we fell away (although they still struggled to beat us at the Goldstone). This was a source of frustration for their fans.

In the 90s of course, we have rarely played them, but the rivalry had already lasted two decades and so has not died easily.

For me, aside from all of the above, it the respective morals of Brighton and Palace can be shown by the fact that we have always sought to pay our debts and lost our stadium in the process, whilst Palace spunked £30m on players chasing the big time and then welshed on the debt, whilst retaining their league status without penalty. Bloomin typical.

 

[natterjack]

SOURCED

Terry Venables, fresh out of coaching school under Big Mal, was the new manager at Palace and Alan Mullery was the brash boss at Brighton. Both clubs were the biggest in the old Division 3 and doing quite well.

Their styles contrasted nicely - Brighton the hottest attacking force in the Division, more likely to win 3-2 than 1-0; Palace the best defence in Division 3 - solid rather than spectacular.

Crowds at matches between the two regularly hit 25-30,000 as in the absence of other local opposition the trips up and down the M23 were the nearest either club had to a local derby.

Then it started.

The two were drawn together in one of the early rounds of the FA Cup in late 1976. The first game at the Goldstone Ground signalled the arrival onto the Palace scene of one Rachid Harkouk.

"Rash the Smash", as he was dubbed because of his penchant for long range shooting, came to the club from non-league Feltham and went on to end that season and the next as top scorer - his first ever goal for the club took this game to a replay after a 2-2 draw.

A 1-1 draw at Selhurst took the tie to a second replay at Stamford Bridge, scene of Palace's win at Chelsea the season before, where the Eagles emerged triumphant 1-0 with a Phil Holder goal and after a hotly disputed Brian Horton penalty miss.

Palace fans loved it but Brighton and Mullery in particular went ape, criticising all and sundry for the Palace encroachment at Horton's penalty that led to its being retaken (even though Horton had scored first time) and probably in frustration that his old mate Venners had outwitted him on the night.

A rivalry had been born...

From then on there was a period of sustained Palace domination against the foe. Palace went unbeaten for nearly 4 years as both clubs climbed the league together right up to the old First Division.

Peter Ward, goal poacher extraordinaire for both Brighton and England at Under-21 and I believe B level, couldn't buy a goal as Jim Cannon had him in his pocket.

The Seagulls would dominate games only to flounder against Palace resistance in the form of heroes like Harkouk, goalkeeper Tony Burns and striker Jeff Bourne.

The longer it went on the more Mullery and his captain Brian Horton (personally despised by Palace fans from his Port Vale days) hated it!

Then, in Division 1, the tide started to turn. Palace were thrashed 3-0 away on Boxing Day 1979 - a defeat that fans today still chant about (although I wonder how many of them know why?), Ward finally scored and broke the Indian sign that Cannon had held over him and Palace wouldn't win again until both clubs were back in Division 2.

Mullery amazingly changed camps in the meantime, much to the dismay of a number of many Palace fans.

As Palace's following went down, those who were left blamed Ron Noades' appointment of Mullery (replacing local hero Steve Kember) for the club's failure to make the most of once promising playing assets like Hilaire, Nicholas, Gilbert and Murphy.

On the pitch Palace's Henry Hughton's tackle that ended Gerry Ryan's career at Selhurst Park one midweek evening kept the antagonism bubbling...

Several years later, as a Steve Coppell-inspired Palace were on their way back up to Division 1, came possibly the most famous meeting between the two clubs of all. Everyone who was at Selhurst on that Easter Monday in 1989 will remember the day that referee Kelvin Morton gave no fewer than FIVE penalties!

Incredibly, Palace missed 3 out of their 4 but still won through 2-1, but Brighton fans still complain today that Morton gave them a raw deal that day and now

Thanks for that - doesn't go 'way back' then. It seems intense nonetheless.

 

[Whitterz]

goes back to the mid-late 70's.Is one of the fiercest rivalry's in English football.

 

[little al]

Brighton hate us because we are the bigger team.

 

[Whitterz]

Brighton hate us because we are the bigger team.

You are at the moment, quite right.

But long term stability is more important. And your club does not look very "long term"

 

[natterjack]

...whilst Palace spunked £30m on players chasing the big time and then welshed on the debt....

I was beginning to like you too

 

[clippedgull]

from vitalfootball
----------------------

The rivalry between Brighton and Crystal Palace was recently voted 10th in the 'Football Rivalries Report 2008'. It is one of the fiercest, most intense rivalries in football yet it is baffling for many outsiders...partly due to the geographical distance and partly the fact that the clubs have player each other only a handful of times in the last 18 years.

We look at the history of the rivalry:

Part 1 - How it started.

The teams first met in the 1906/07 in a Southern League fixture which saw the Albion win 2-1, the clubs would go on to meet many times in both the Southern league and then division 3 (south) with honours fairly even but although there were some great matches the teams never really considered each other as their main rival until the mid seventies.

There were quite a few reasons why things intensified, the clubs were neck and neck footballing wise, the legendary Alan Mullery (Brighton) and Terry Venables (Palace) did not like each other (to say the least!) and the upsurge in hooliganism but it was an FA Cup first round tie in 1976, which really stoked the fires.

In 1976-77 season the teams met no less than five times: twice in the league and three times in an F.A Cup tie. After stalemates at the Goldstone and Selhurst Park the FA Cup Second Replay was held at Stamford Bridge that Palace narrowly won. Mullery was incensed by some diabolical refereeing decisions from Ron Challis including a penalty that had to be retaken and a disallowed goal! After provocation from the Palace fans he justifiably flung down five pound notes change into a puddle and screamed 'You're not worth that, Palace' whilst gesticulating at them.

He instantly became a legend with the Brighton and a villain in Croydon and it was then that the rivalry really kicked in, both on and off the field, quite often reaching boiling point.

It was also around this time that the Albion changed their nickname from 'Dolphins' to 'Seagulls' in response to Palace's 'Eagles'. Over the next few years the rivalry would get even stronger and Boxing Day would gain greater significance for both clubs.

At the end of the 1976/77 season both Brighton in 2nd and Palace (somewhat luckily) in 3rd place were promoted from the old 3rd division. The next campaign saw the Seagulls narrowly (and controversially) missed out on promotion to the old 1st division by goal difference but they went one better in 1978/79 as they reached the lofty heights for the first time in their history finishing up as runners up...to Crystal Palace!

The intensity of encounters between the two sides increased with every game on and off the pitch where there were quite often running battles between fans...and both sets of supporters had an ever-increasing plethora of not so complimentary songs and chants about their counterparts. Quite often these were the same songs with just the words changed round to suit the purpose.
Playing in the top flight only increased the tensions further....fixtures between the clubs were now held on Boxing day and at Easter and always drew large crowds, intimidating atmospheres and off pitch battles between the fans. There were four top-flight games in total between the teams, the Seagulls won 3 and drew one of them.

After an initial false dawn, the Croydon side spent most of their stay in the Division 1 flirting with relegation on a regular basis, the hilariously and ironically dubbed 'team of the eighties' were eventually relegated in 1980/81...Brighton would show their superiority by staying on in the top league for another 2 seasons, managing a cup final appearance in the process.

Alan Mullery O.B.E. had quit the Seagulls in 1981 following a bust up with the board... and after a brief stint at Charlton, amazingly was appointed the Palace manager! It was a truly bizarre appointment as he had been number one villain with the Selhurst faithful, some of whom even defected to Chelsea as a result of the appointment...needless to say, he wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms and within 2 fruitless years he had left to be replaced by Steve Coppell who went on to become an Eagles legend and would much later provide another strange twist in the story.

The Albion were relegated from the top flight in 1983 and once again found themselves in the same league as their Croydon counterparts and agent Mullery completed his mission as Palace boss by ensuring that Brighton completed the double in the two fixtures that season. Serious crowd trouble at the Easter Goldstone match only increased tensions even further.

1984/85 saw the Seagulls complete their customary Goldstone win but the game at Selhurst saw Palace take a rare point in a 1-1 draw. Sadly, the result was overshadowed by a horrendous tackle from Henry Houghton on Albion stalwart Gerry Ryan, which ended the Irish, mans career. It was a tackle that was condemned by many, including Albion`s then manager Chris Cattlin, but never by Ryan himself.

Brighton`s dominance continued over the next 2 seasons, with 4 victories in the 5 meetings between the two clubs. The latter of the two seasons had also seen the brief return of Alan Mullery as Seagulls manager...sadly it didn't work out second time round and they were relegated at the end of the 1986/87 campaign.
Once again there was violence at the Goldstone fixture in the 1987 Easter clash between both sets of supporters.

After gaining instant promotion back to the old 2nd division at the first attempt the clubs renewed acquaintances in 1988/89 and of course the Seagulls trounced the Eagles 3-1 in the Boxing Day game at the Goldstone. The return match at Selhurst, which the Eagles won 2-1 saw referee Kelvin Morton award 5 penalties (4 to Palace of which they missed 3! and 1 to Brighton which they scored!). Hilariously, that season also the Eagles trounced 9-0 at Liverpool, a score line that caused much amusement in Sussex.

Unfortunately, Palace were promoted to the top flight and the sides would not meet again competitively for quite a few years as the Seagulls slid gradually down the leagues and nearly going out of existence before the new Dick Knight/Mickey Adams regime revived the club. The Eagles meanwhile remained in the 2nd tier with the odd foray into the top flight that would inevitably end in swift relegation!

There was only a Zenith Data Systems cup match and occasional friendlies (one of which was moved to a Friday night on Police advice!) between the sides that kept the rivalry going until the new millennium.

It should be mentioned that despite the fierce rivalry, many Palace fans turned up to show their support at the 'fans united' day game against Hartlepool in 1997 when the Seagulls were at the height of their troubles.

You will find that October 26th 2002 will probably be among many Brighton fans worst days ever as a supporter....after 13 years apart the Seagulls and Eagles would finally meet in a competitive fixture and the fierce rivalry would be rejuvenated....around 7,000 Albion fans made the trip to Selhurst in anticipation and watched in disbelief as their side performed appallingly and suffered a 5-0 drubbing, much to the delight of the Palace faithful. It is a result that hurts, even to this day.

Just weeks prior to the game Brighton had spiced things up by appointing Steve Coppell as their manager and then had signed another ex Palace favourite Simon Rodger!

The return fixture, which was the first meeting between the two sides at Withdean saw the Albion outclass their opponents but unfortunately they could not manage to score and it ended 0-0. Perhaps if they had won that match they would have been able to avoid an instant return to the 3rd tier of English football.
Life was never boring as a Brighton supporter at this time though and just a season later they were back in the Championship, via a play off final victory over Bristol City...frustratingly, Palace had also been promoted themselves via the play offs....to the premiership.

The 2004/05 season saw the Seagulls survive in the championship by the skin of their teeth and the Eagles were relegated back to the 2nd tier....so the teams would get to meet again.

The first match was at Selhurst Park in October 2005 and it saw Brighton gain revenge for the 5-0 reverse by beating the Eagles with a solitary goal from defender Paul McShane. The return match, just over a month later was televised on Sky TV and saw Palace win 3-2 with a last minute goal after being behind twice. Recording their first competitive win in Sussex for 42 years
...and that`s where it ended....for now.

The rivalry is not quite as strong as it was in the 1970's and 1980's but it is still very much there and the majority of supporters from both clubs still consider the other to be their main rivals despite the attentions of Charlton and Millwall for Palace and the likes of Orient and Reading for Brighton.

Both sets of supporters still chant about each other, take great pleasure in the others downfalls and look to claim bragging rights wherever possible.
Ironically Current Eagles boss Neil Warnock insinuated recently in the national press that Brighton might well be 'sleeping giant`.

Falmer could see Brighton step up to a more level playing field with Palace and then the rivalry can truly recommence.

 

[natterjack]

from vitalfootball
----------------------

The rivalry between Brighton and Crystal Palace was recently voted 10th in the 'Football Rivalries Report 2008'. It is one of the fiercest, most intense rivalries in football yet it is baffling for many outsiders...partly due to the geographical distance and partly the fact that the clubs have player each other only a handful of times in the last 18 years.

We look at the history of the rivalry:

Part 1 - How it started.

The teams first met in the 1906/07 in a Southern League fixture which saw the Albion win 2-1, the clubs would go on to meet many times in both the Southern league and then division 3 (south) with honours fairly even but although there were some great matches the teams never really considered each other as their main rival until the mid seventies.

There were quite a few reasons why things intensified, the clubs were neck and neck footballing wise, the legendary Alan Mullery (Brighton) and Terry Venables (Palace) did not like each other (to say the least!) and the upsurge in hooliganism but it was an FA Cup first round tie in 1976, which really stoked the fires.

In 1976-77 season the teams met no less than five times: twice in the league and three times in an F.A Cup tie. After stalemates at the Goldstone and Selhurst Park the FA Cup Second Replay was held at Stamford Bridge that Palace narrowly won. Mullery was incensed by some diabolical refereeing decisions from Ron Challis including a penalty that had to be retaken and a disallowed goal! After provocation from the Palace fans he justifiably flung down five pound notes change into a puddle and screamed 'You're not worth that, Palace' whilst gesticulating at them.

He instantly became a legend with the Brighton and a villain in Croydon and it was then that the rivalry really kicked in, both on and off the field, quite often reaching boiling point.

It was also around this time that the Albion changed their nickname from 'Dolphins' to 'Seagulls' in response to Palace's 'Eagles'. Over the next few years the rivalry would get even stronger and Boxing Day would gain greater significance for both clubs.

At the end of the 1976/77 season both Brighton in 2nd and Palace (somewhat luckily) in 3rd place were promoted from the old 3rd division. The next campaign saw the Seagulls narrowly (and controversially) missed out on promotion to the old 1st division by goal difference but they went one better in 1978/79 as they reached the lofty heights for the first time in their history finishing up as runners up...to Crystal Palace!

The intensity of encounters between the two sides increased with every game on and off the pitch where there were quite often running battles between fans...and both sets of supporters had an ever-increasing plethora of not so complimentary songs and chants about their counterparts. Quite often these were the same songs with just the words changed round to suit the purpose.
Playing in the top flight only increased the tensions further....fixtures between the clubs were now held on Boxing day and at Easter and always drew large crowds, intimidating atmospheres and off pitch battles between the fans. There were four top-flight games in total between the teams, the Seagulls won 3 and drew one of them.

After an initial false dawn, the Croydon side spent most of their stay in the Division 1 flirting with relegation on a regular basis, the hilariously and ironically dubbed 'team of the eighties' were eventually relegated in 1980/81...Brighton would show their superiority by staying on in the top league for another 2 seasons, managing a cup final appearance in the process.

Alan Mullery O.B.E. had quit the Seagulls in 1981 following a bust up with the board... and after a brief stint at Charlton, amazingly was appointed the Palace manager! It was a truly bizarre appointment as he had been number one villain with the Selhurst faithful, some of whom even defected to Chelsea as a result of the appointment...needless to say, he wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms and within 2 fruitless years he had left to be replaced by Steve Coppell who went on to become an Eagles legend and would much later provide another strange twist in the story.

The Albion were relegated from the top flight in 1983 and once again found themselves in the same league as their Croydon counterparts and agent Mullery completed his mission as Palace boss by ensuring that Brighton completed the double in the two fixtures that season. Serious crowd trouble at the Easter Goldstone match only increased tensions even further.

1984/85 saw the Seagulls complete their customary Goldstone win but the game at Selhurst saw Palace take a rare point in a 1-1 draw. Sadly, the result was overshadowed by a horrendous tackle from Henry Houghton on Albion stalwart Gerry Ryan, which ended the Irish, mans career. It was a tackle that was condemned by many, including Albion`s then manager Chris Cattlin, but never by Ryan himself.

Brighton`s dominance continued over the next 2 seasons, with 4 victories in the 5 meetings between the two clubs. The latter of the two seasons had also seen the brief return of Alan Mullery as Seagulls manager...sadly it didn't work out second time round and they were relegated at the end of the 1986/87 campaign.
Once again there was violence at the Goldstone fixture in the 1987 Easter clash between both sets of supporters.

After gaining instant promotion back to the old 2nd division at the first attempt the clubs renewed acquaintances in 1988/89 and of course the Seagulls trounced the Eagles 3-1 in the Boxing Day game at the Goldstone. The return match at Selhurst, which the Eagles won 2-1 saw referee Kelvin Morton award 5 penalties (4 to Palace of which they missed 3! and 1 to Brighton which they scored!). Hilariously, that season also the Eagles trounced 9-0 at Liverpool, a score line that caused much amusement in Sussex.

Unfortunately, Palace were promoted to the top flight and the sides would not meet again competitively for quite a few years as the Seagulls slid gradually down the leagues and nearly going out of existence before the new Dick Knight/Mickey Adams regime revived the club. The Eagles meanwhile remained in the 2nd tier with the odd foray into the top flight that would inevitably end in swift relegation!

There was only a Zenith Data Systems cup match and occasional friendlies (one of which was moved to a Friday night on Police advice!) between the sides that kept the rivalry going until the new millennium.

It should be mentioned that despite the fierce rivalry, many Palace fans turned up to show their support at the 'fans united' day game against Hartlepool in 1997 when the Seagulls were at the height of their troubles.

You will find that October 26th 2002 will probably be among many Brighton fans worst days ever as a supporter....after 13 years apart the Seagulls and Eagles would finally meet in a competitive fixture and the fierce rivalry would be rejuvenated....around 7,000 Albion fans made the trip to Selhurst in anticipation and watched in disbelief as their side performed appallingly and suffered a 5-0 drubbing, much to the delight of the Palace faithful. It is a result that hurts, even to this day.

Just weeks prior to the game Brighton had spiced things up by appointing Steve Coppell as their manager and then had signed another ex Palace favourite Simon Rodger!

The return fixture, which was the first meeting between the two sides at Withdean saw the Albion outclass their opponents but unfortunately they could not manage to score and it ended 0-0. Perhaps if they had won that match they would have been able to avoid an instant return to the 3rd tier of English football.
Life was never boring as a Brighton supporter at this time though and just a season later they were back in the Championship, via a play off final victory over Bristol City...frustratingly, Palace had also been promoted themselves via the play offs....to the premiership.

The 2004/05 season saw the Seagulls survive in the championship by the skin of their teeth and the Eagles were relegated back to the 2nd tier....so the teams would get to meet again.

The first match was at Selhurst Park in October 2005 and it saw Brighton gain revenge for the 5-0 reverse by beating the Eagles with a solitary goal from defender Paul McShane. The return match, just over a month later was televised on Sky TV and saw Palace win 3-2 with a last minute goal after being behind twice. Recording their first competitive win in Sussex for 42 years
...and that`s where it ended....for now.

The rivalry is not quite as strong as it was in the 1970's and 1980's but it is still very much there and the majority of supporters from both clubs still consider the other to be their main rivals despite the attentions of Charlton and Millwall for Palace and the likes of Orient and Reading for Brighton.

Both sets of supporters still chant about each other, take great pleasure in the others downfalls and look to claim bragging rights wherever possible.
Ironically Current Eagles boss Neil Warnock insinuated recently in the national press that Brighton might well be 'sleeping giant`.

Falmer could see Brighton step up to a more level playing field with Palace and then the rivalry can truly recommence.

Christ, there's more to this than meets the eye! I just thought it was a Warnock thing

 

[Whitterz]

Ironically Current Eagles boss Neil Warnock insinuated recently in the national press that Brighton might well be 'sleeping giant`.

Falmer could see Brighton step up to a more level playing field with Palace and then the rivalry can truly recommence.
__________________

Lets hope so, Id love to squat the SCUM on their cabbage patch

 

[Whitterz]

Neil warnock -

we had a family day out on easter monday. We took the tram to croydon and the train to brighton. I didn't realise how keen the rivalry was between palace and brighton until i went to buy some fish and chips. The bloke serving me told me he was a brighton fan, and he didn't look too happy to see me. I did wonder what he'd put on my chips...

Talking of brighton, i scored the best goal of my career there, for rotherham. Palace fans probably won't like me saying this, but i'm pleased brighton have got their new ground on the way. In the next few years i think we'll see what sleeping giants they have been.

The family dog, percy, came with us to brighton. He's a griffon. When he gets tired, we put him in the haversack, but while sharon and amy were off shopping, me and william, who's six, took him for a walk on his lead along the promenade. What must we have looked like? Especially in brighton. Let's just say it isn't wakefield. I said to william: "in my time, you can be sure i wouldn't be walking a dog here unless it was a golden labrador, or an alsatian."

 

[Wardy]

Good to see you know how to spell their name natterjack

 

[LowKarate]

I was beginning to like you too

That wa unintentional.

What term would you prefer?