I don't want to be too overt, that might induce repliesApologies.
I don't want to be too overt, that might induce repliesApologies.
It certainly has been weaponised by TrumpWonderful weaponizing opportunity, though.
It certainly has been weaponised by Trump
The system was already broken but are people forgetting his inhumane enactment of policies that resulted in xenophobic attacks on families, kids torn away from their parents and locked on their own in detention, attacks on whole communities of people?
He introduced policies that threatened more than one million DACA recipients and TPS holders to deportation ( ie those born in the US), including hundreds of thousands of essential frontline workers who helped communities get through the Covid pandemic.
He introduced sweeping travel bans and separated families across the Country.
It wasnât even âgood politicsâ and arguably Trumpâs immigration policies cost the Republicans the House in the 2018 midterms with all the fear-mongering about the âinvasionâ of the Southern Borders .
Itâs hard to unpack propaganda from fact but the WH lied about how many people Trumpâs wall stopped ( as mentioned in an earlier post upthread) Immigration increased after Covid but the Republicans have repeatedly refused to support the Democrats attempts for widespread reforms just so they could perpetuate their campaign tropes that immigration is worse under Biden.
Both parties have tried to slow down cross border crossings but I would rather support a party that does it fairly and humanely.
Yep - Maybe not for those in politics and facts may not matter to some people posting on this thread and certainly not on social media where as long as words are eloquent then the accuracy of content is irrelevant- But half my family are living in the States either with an American nationality or as ex-pats - and are frankly terrified about the prospect of a Trump presidency so to them the facts matter. For myself, as a British person with one eye on global geo-politics and Climate Change, facts DO matter very much - to those who honestly believe they donât, I say Pah! Donât be lazy, stop repeating each other, fake news, tropes and generalised nonsense - at least make the effort to fact check and be informed - do you own researchIt doesn't seem to matter what the facts are about anything.
I think we should look a bit closer to home rather than out to sea for the potential impact a Trump presidency could have on UK politics. People donât always seem to take on board the context here that we are living in an interconnected world of wars, trade, economies and environmental degradation - Our domestic policies are inextricably linked with international governments and global concerns. If Trump starts a trade war with China, it affects us. If Trump rolls back on NATO contributions or arms to Ukraine, it affects us. If Trump declares war on Iran, it affects us. If Trump enables foreign dictators to influence elections, it affects us. If MAGA means also support for far right parties and far right individuals in the UK, or the Conservatives support Trump, it affects us.We may think we have a dog in the fight but our dog is standing on the clifftop at Lands End looking wistfully and with futility, westwards.
I posted this on the previous page with the link
No, not enough CAPITALS!Are you Donald Trump?
I meant that we don't have a vote in the US presidential election and can do nothing more than look on from afar. And American voters do not take into account the opinion of foreigners about their candidates.Yep - Maybe not for those in politics and facts may not matter to some people posting on this thread and certainly not on social media where as long as words are eloquent then the accuracy of content is irrelevant- But half my family are living in the States either with an American nationality or as ex-pats - and are frankly terrified about the prospect of a Trump presidency so to them the facts matter. For myself, as a British person with one eye on global geo-politics and Climate Change, facts DO matter very much - to those who honestly believe they donât, I say Pah! Donât be lazy, stop repeating each other, fake news, tropes and generalised nonsense - at least make the effort to fact check and be informed - do you own research
I think we should look a bit closer to home rather than out to sea for the potential impact a Trump presidency could have on UK politics. People donât always seem to take on board the context here that we are living in an interconnected world of wars, trade, economies and environmental degradation - Our domestic policies are inextricably linked with international governments and global concerns. If Trump starts a trade war with China, it affects us. If Trump rolls back on NATO contributions or arms to Ukraine, it affects us. If Trump declares war on Iran, it affects us. If Trump enables foreign dictators to influence elections, it affects us. If MAGA means also support for far right parties and far right individuals in the UK, or the Conservatives support Trump, it affects us.
Conservatives rule out pre-election pact with Nigel Farage | Reform UK | The Guardian
Some Tory MPs had reportedly called for Farage to be made ambassador to US in exchange for him not standing for Reform UKamp.theguardian.com
This thread is not just about what happens in another Countryâs election but what the world could look like for all of us if Trump returns to power.
Yes and yes.A thought occurred to me while driving up today:-
Isn't a centre right 'socialist' government absolute perfection?
That is the governance we crave and occasionally have until they also become corrupted by power.
I didn't know that. Impress
I didn't know that. Impressive.
I am wondering whether our correspondent, @lasvegan thinks Trump could match that.
For those who are primarily obsessed with illegal immigrants, what are the 'illegal immigration' stats, @Stat Brother ? I read it in an unverified opinion piece (you can guess the rest) that Biden has let this 'soar' compared with the Great Wall era of Dump. What are the facts?
Yes, yes it does.I'm not sure that Hunter's laptop matches Trumps long list of frankly insane cockwomblery in terms of corruption-equivalence.
I donât believe anyone is running Trump, other than Trump.I would argue that if your reason for not voting Biden is his mental acuity, you canât seriously consider voting for Trump. Whoâs running him?
This shows a high degree of political naivety. The Democrats are a centre-right party who are roughly equivalent to what the Conservative Party used to be here in Britain, although the current Conservative Party has moved to the right of them. Nowhere have the Democrats tried to end private ownership or curb the progress of business. They have correctly identified that trickle down economics is bullshit, and are suggesting that organisations pay their workers enough to live, but thatâs still a capitalist move, as skint people canât spend.
Republicans talk the talk of small government, but have never delivered on their talk, regardless of whoâs leading them.
The simple fact of the matter is that all legislation must be enforced, which then requires an increase in the number of Civil Servants required. So for each civil or technological advancement that can potentially be misused, laws and regulations must come into place to deal with them. A functioning government can only grow as its society does.
Sensible individuals accept this as the cost of doing business and chip in their tax dollars, thereâs always a few (in America a lot) who consider all tax theft.
They say this as kings of their domains, but theyâd be the first to cry when a bigger boy came along and took what they considered theirs, if there wasnât enforceable legislation there to protect them.
I can promise you that America has never even flirted with a socialist idea.
Do you live here? No, youâre still in Brighton.Nutshell. Laughable that Americans consider Democrats as Socialist. wtf. Has there ever been a nation more paranoid about any governance?
I amBut I can guarantee you that there is not one US poster on here who will say (honestly) that they are better off now than they were 3 years ago.
Well that didn't take longI am
I donât believe anyone is running Trump, other than Trump.
If you honestly believe that the democrats are a center-right party then itâs you who is the naive one.
I agree with you that republicans are all talk.
You are obviously a socialist.
I can promise you that the USA, democrats, are flirting with socialism.
Have you considered that your definition of âsocialismâ might differ from Americanâs? And might also depend on whether you are speaking to a Democrat or Republican?Nutshell. Laughable that Americans consider Democrats as Socialist. wtf. Has there ever been a nation more paranoid about any governance?
Yes, I agree, when you look at Bernie Saunders and AOC but they still a represent a minority faction to the far left of the Party - However before battling with the Brits over whether or not the Democrats are âflirting with socialismâ, it is always best for people to define their terms first - you may not be talking about the same thing after all..I can promise you that the USA, democrats, are flirting with socialism.
To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.