[Politics] Brexit

[Deleted member 22389]

Why would Brexiteers fear a second referendum?

Just respect the vote. I couldn't take any more of the scaremongering bullshite from the Remainers.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Why would Brexiteers fear a second referendum?

where's the credibility in that QUESTION........................
regards
DR

 

[cunning fergus]

You spoke about how uncomplicated it was to align the supply and demand of labour. I queried this in a non-confrontational way, and asked a specific question about one of your claims. In your response (above) you completely ignored what I said and asked, going off on a separate tangent and resorting to name-calling and sarcasm. I leave others to draw their own conclusions, but you don't do yourself any favours.

Ha, glad you brought up the old sarcastic and confrontational posting style discussion.........dear pot........yours sincerely kettle.

What you actually bought up was an challenge about what I advocated with regard to freedom of movement, and you highlighted a post where I had stated freedom of movement was disastrous, at a UK level and EU level. You interpreted that my opposition meant I was for restrictions within the UK, and I have since fully explained your interpretation was incorrect (post 20897).

By the way, if this principle wasn't a disaster then we would have voted remain and there would be no unfolding political problems in Europe relating to populism.

So, I stand by that position that the freedom of movement has been disastrous, and controlling the movement of foreign labour into the UK is an important lever that can be pulled to prevent over supply and the consequences of "over supply".

This will draw the UK back to a position that is entirely consistent with its non EU international peers, as I am sure you well know.

Happy days!

 

[nicko31]

Why would Brexiteers fear a second referendum?

There should be one on the final Brexit deal. It would never happen though with MM in charge, as there would only ever be one answer

 

[daveinprague]

Just respect the vote. I couldn't take any more of the scaremongering bullshite from the Remainers.

I do, however, you were talking about MPs trying to force a 2nd Referendum. Why would you fear that?

 

[daveinprague]

where's the credibility in that QUESTION........................
regards
DR

If you can follow a conversation, maybe you would understand. You dont have that abilty though.

 

[studio150]

You really need to move on.

It is an absolute fact that the EU's freedom of movement principle means that the UK Govt cannot control the supply of labour within the UK.

The consequences of this principle in the UK, which has seen millions of EU citizens move here are a undoubtedly a primary motive for why millions of voters chose leave.

Gaining control of who can reside and work in the UK provides the opportunity for the UK Government to manage that flow.

This is a very good development if you care about protecting the interests of British workers from foreign workers competing for work.

If freedom of movement or open borders was such a clear economic and social benefit for Governments then there would be a border free world beyond the EU. There isn't, even the most capitalist country in the world controls who can reside and work there.

You are on the wrong side of the argument..........outside the EU what countries do you think you can you move to and legally work tomorrow?

Well done in avoiding answering the questions posed.

Rather than going on about immigration why don't you actually answer on how you are going to control supply and demand for the labour market.

 

[daveinprague]

Just respect the vote. I couldn't take any more of the scaremongering bullshite from the Remainers.

It would be difficult to accept leavers lies as well, thats not what im asking.

Also, I asked you if you had any evidence to your post regarding electricians in the UK being undercut pricewise by foreigners. As there is a shortage of skilled electricians in the UK, im interested in how you came to that conclusion.

 

[cunning fergus]

No you haven't, you have ducked it again. I understand what the norm is in other countries.

You suggested earlier something different, I have asked you to explain that.
Just to jog your memory, in response to a question along the lines of why a free market is a problem across the EU but not across the UK, you said the freedom of labour is disastrous, and that your view applied equally across a nation or a bloc of nations such as the EU.
You now seem to say that freedom of labour within the UK is fine, and only just enough workers from outside to fill gaps, as is the ideal around the world.
Which kind of makes a nonsense of your earlier response.

So please, either admit you were talking bollocks in the initial response to Lincoln Imp, and you now love the freedom of labour inside national borders, or explain how you would not have a free market for labour in the UK, without restricting UK workers.
I await your next sidestep.

Nope, nothing has been ducked.

I think the problem you have on this is that you cannot process(or accept) that there should be restrictions of foreign workers without similar restrictions on UK workers?

You can though......and it is not contradictory, in fact it is how the vast majority non EU countries work. I have never sought to restrict UK workers rights in the UK, ONLY the rights of foreign workers in the UK.

Those words may mean you need to have a sit down and use a paper bag to regulate your breathing........sorry about that.

Essentially though that is why we will NEVER agree on the EU's freedom of movement........I only care about UK workers interests.

 

[cunning fergus]

If it's a competition for advanced condescension and question-swerving you could be right.

I will take the condescension charge, I tend to mirror when I post..........

 

[studio150]

Ha, glad you brought up the old sarcastic and confrontational posting style discussion.........dear pot........yours sincerely kettle.

What you actually bought up was an challenge about what I advocated with regard to freedom of movement, and you highlighted a post where I had stated freedom of movement was disastrous, at a UK level and EU level. You interpreted that my opposition meant I was for restrictions within the UK, and I have since fully explained your interpretation was incorrect (post 20897).

By the way, if this principle wasn't a disaster then we would have voted remain and there would be no unfolding political problems in Europe relating to populism.

So, I stand by that position that the freedom of movement has been disastrous, and controlling the movement of foreign labour into the UK is an important lever that can be pulled to prevent over supply and the consequences of "over supply".

This will draw the UK back to a position that is entirely consistent with its non EU international peers, as I am sure you well know.

Happy days!

Well done. but post 20897 was not written by you.

Don't tell me you thought that just plucking a random number out of the air would deflect from your inabity to answer the questions posed

 

[cunning fergus]

Because your man fergus claimed that freedom of labour was disastrous, and that applied inside the UK, as much as inside the EU. He ****ed up basically because he did not think trough the implications, like most leave voters. And again, like most leave voters, can't admit it. I am only pushing it because he threw his toys out of the pram over the suggestion that he had ever said any such thing, and when shown that he had, tried to melt it away with guff.
Gutless.

Aww bless.

No melting away love, I have work demands to deal with and then went to Rotherham.

I can't be on here spending all my free time schooling the remedial remain class all day every day.

 

[cunning fergus]

Well done. but post 20897 was not written by you.

Don't tell me you thought that just plucking a random number out of the air would deflect from your inabity to answer the questions posed

Right you are 27897.......no absolutely not, I took a punt knowing full well some bean counter would be fastidiously checking my posting records.

 

[cunning fergus]

Well done in avoiding answering the questions posed.

Rather than going on about immigration why don't you actually answer on how you are going to control supply and demand for the labour market.

The same way I would be able to control foreign contribution to the UK murder, rape and robbery markets........

 

[Lincoln Imp]

The same way I would be able to control foreign contribution to the UK murder, rape and robbery markets........

Rather than answer questions you just attempt to deflect them with bluster. This is the latest example. It seems to make you happy in a cheating-at-patience sort of way. Are you Michael Howard?

 

[Baldseagull]

Aww bless.

No melting away love, I have work demands to deal with and then went to Rotherham.

I can't be on here spending all my free time schooling the remedial remain class all day every day.

Are you sure you are British? You seem to struggle with comprehension of English, I said you tried to melt what you had said away with guff, not that you melted away. Quite the opposite, you keep popping up, to repeat the guff, and duck the issue.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

If you can follow a conversation, maybe you would understand. You dont have that abilty though.

why are you even on this thread, you don't live in the UK
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

are you sure you are british? You seem to struggle with comprehension of english, i said you tried to melt what you had said away with guff, not that you melted away. Quite the opposite, you keep popping up, to repeat the guff, and duck the issue.

that's choice coming from someone who still want 's the EU to have a say in how we go about our business ....... Couldn't make it up
regards
DR

 

[nicko31]

BMW Mini plant investment future hangs in the balance

https://www.driving.co.uk/news/mini-may-driven-abroad-bmw-brexit-fears/

Probably the biggest success story in UK motor manufacturing this century

 

[Baldseagull]

Nope, nothing has been ducked.

I think the problem you have on this is that you cannot process(or accept) that there should be restrictions of foreign workers without similar restrictions on UK workers?

You can though......and it is not contradictory, in fact it is how the vast majority non EU countries work. I have never sought to restrict UK workers rights in the UK, ONLY the rights of foreign workers in the UK.

Those words may mean you need to have a sit down and use a paper bag to regulate your breathing........sorry about that.

Essentially though that is why we will NEVER agree on the EU's freedom of movement........I only care about UK workers interests.

No, the problem is this:

The freedom of labour is the worst example of this (a free market) because quite evidently not being able to manage supply and demand is disastrous.
Therefore my view would apply within a state or as with the EU across a group of states, it makes no difference.

You posted the above.

But now you say it does not apply equally, and a free market in labour is fine inside UK borders, but still not fine inside EU borders.
So either you changed your mind, or you were posting bollocks the first time round.
Fine if you changed your mind, beat the rush, most leave voters will be doing it soon.
Fine if you posted something that gave the wrong impression, just admit that it was your writing and not everyone else's reading that gave the wrong impression.
But you post bollocks, deny posting bollocks, then when bollocks is put in front of you deny it is bollocks.

I understand you think you are going to look a bit silly if you fess up now, but truthfully, you already do, in fact the only way you can rescue it now is to say you knew it was bollocks, but just thought you would try and wind me and the Imp up a bit.