[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

You’re just gutted that only 12 people will ever get to see your views on the Brexit thread, I fully expect you to shamelessly plug it here on the main board though [emoji6]

Still looking forward to your Sunny Uplands

And I see you managed to bounce my views for all to see over there, on the main board

 

[Chicken Run]

Still looking forward to your Sunny Uplands

And I see you managed to bounce my views for all to see over there, on the main board

[emoji6][emoji6][emoji6][emoji6][emoji6][emoji6][emoji6][emoji6][emoji6][emoji6][emoji6]

 

[A1X]

[TWEET]1276078158702313473[/TWEET]

[TWEET]1276078161453895680[/TWEET]

 

[cunning fergus]

I'm going to break a fundamental rule of the Bear Pit and say I agree with you. This is the NSC equivalent of North and South Korea reuniting.

So, if you could reciprocate by acknowledging the extent of short or medium or long term economic disruption or devastation or dysfunction then not only do we have a deal, but you'll emerge with your reputation enhanced. How about it?

With absolute sincerity, I was unaware of there were rules, I tend to operate out of the Douglas Bader school of life whereby rules are for the blind obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men. But I digress.

To answer the question you pose, the agreement you have arrived at concerning the published press is a matter of fact, I am either right or wrong, to be honest with the Sundays it could even be a draw!

With respect to the outcome of Brexit being economic devastation for a sustained period that will be a matter of opinion until proven, it is currently unproven. I don’t doubt there will be winners and losers, but then that was the case while we were in the EU. That is my own viewpoint, I would not be conceited enough to say I am right, but time will tell. Let’s put a date in the diary for 44 years time hence.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

With absolute sincerity, I was unaware of there were rules, I tend to operate out of the Douglas Bader school of life whereby rules are for the blind obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men. But I digress.

To answer the question you pose, the agreement you have arrived at concerning the published press is a matter of fact, I am either right or wrong, to be honest with the Sundays it could even be a draw!

With respect to the outcome of Brexit being economic devastation for a sustained period that will be a matter of opinion until proven, it is currently unproven. I don’t doubt there will be winners and losers, but then that was the case while we were in the EU. That is my own viewpoint, I would not be conceited enough to say I am right, but time will tell. Let’s put a date in the diary for 44 years time hence.

Fab: a brilliant, well argued and insightful response, drawing on a wealth of leading edge research. Many thanks!

 

[Baldseagull]

So now we’ve established the link you provided isn’t accurate.........the question remains, of the Daily national published newspapers were there more remain than leave? I’m still saying yes there were.

I disagree, but if you want to find a comprehensive list that proves your point I would be happy to change my belief, if I am evidently wrong.

 

[cunning fergus]

I disagree, but if you want to find a comprehensive list that proves your point I would be happy to change my belief, if I am evidently wrong.

You can’t disagree about the link, it was missing national papers!

If you add in the Remain ones I said were missing, and the star on your side (as leave), what’s the number.......I think I’m right.

Over to you.

 

[Baldseagull]

You can’t disagree about the link, it was missing national papers!

If you add in the Remain ones I said were missing, and the star on your side (as leave), what’s the number.......I think I’m right.

Over to you.

If I accepted that the Sunday People, The Metro and the Sunday Mirror were pro remain you might have a point, but there is no evidence I have seen that this was the case. And as previously stated, despite the Times stating it was backing remain, the articles they published were more evenly balanced and researchers found that there were slightly more pro leave articles in it.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

If I accepted that the Sunday People, The Metro and the Sunday Mirror were pro remain you might have a point, but there is no evidence I have seen that this was the case. And as previously stated, despite the Times stating it was backing remain, the articles they published were more evenly balanced and researchers found that there were slightly more pro leave articles in it.

As if you ever bother to look for evidence that challenges your Europhile views ..

The Sunday Mirror comes out for Remain

The People is less strident in its view – in line with its independent positioning – but still concludes that if readers are still in doubt they shouldn't vote out.

https://www.thedrum.com/news/2016/0...rror-editor-chief-lloyd-embleys-eu-referendum

 

[Baldseagull]

As if you ever bother to look for evidence that challenges your Europhile views ..

The Sunday Mirror comes out for Remain

The People is less strident in its view – in line with its independent positioning – but still concludes that if readers are still in doubt they shouldn't vote out.

https://www.thedrum.com/news/2016/0...rror-editor-chief-lloyd-embleys-eu-referendum

Quite wrong, I did look for evidence, I just didn't think to read Lloyd Embley's diary for it. I concede that on that evidence the Sunday Mirror was pro remain.

However, The Times made a statement that it supported remain, yet published more pro leave articles than pro remain, I have seen no analysis of what the balance of articles was for the papers mentioned. It is a weak argument, equating the statement issued by the People as being pro remain, if you want to count all people who didn't vote out as Remain, you can add 13 million people to the remain side.

And what of The Metro?

 

[Randy McNob]

Boris talked of leaving on Australia terms which means no deal. He was elected to get Brexit done, leaving without a deal is not getting it done but leaving us in limbo. If they do not agree a deal or an extension he should resign and call another election. Leavers say Brexit is about democracy so I would expect them to agree

Is the Benn act still valid?

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN23Y0J6?__twitter_impression=true

 

[daveinplzen]

Boris talked of leaving on Australia terms which means no deal. He was elected to get Brexit done, leaving without a deal is not getting it done but leaving us in limbo. If they do not agree a deal or an extension he should resign and call another election. Leavers say Brexit is about democracy so I would expect them to agree

Is the Benn act still valid?

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN23Y0J6?__twitter_impression=true

This would meam Brexiteers have not 'won'. I wouldnt hold your breath. Their skin isnt thick enough.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

This would meam Brexiteers have not 'won'. I wouldnt hold your breath. Their skin isnt thick enough.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw1BFj7Qx53NJjijo51HMm3c&cshid=1593374845745
Regards
DF

 

[daveinplzen]

Hows that 'oven ready' deal? Any news?

 

[nicko31]

Hows that 'oven ready' deal? Any news?

HMRC yet to begin building UK border IT system...

https://www.computerweekly.com/news...075nG1TuxWZRvyY9q89G0l1nHIxkuKVFPGSD8M7dug85Y

Will the French bail us out?

 

[WATFORD zero]

And what's behind today's window on the Brexiteer advent calendar ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8468593/Britains-chief-Brexit-negotiator-David-Frost-National-Security-Adviser.html

Replacing Sir Mark Sedwill as national security adviser with Boris Johnson's chief negotiator in Europe effectively sets a hard deadline on Brexit trade talks, Downing Street said last night. David Frost, a career diplomat, will move to his new role by the beginning of September. This means that talks with Brussels over a free trade deal will have to be completed by the end of August at the latest. If no agreement is reached by then, the UK will leave without a deal when the transition period ends on December 31. The Government hopes the deadline will increase pressure on EU leaders to make concessions which would which would make it easier to seal a free trade deal.

So we are sticking with the successful strategy of the last 2 years of waiting for the EU to blink first then

In another break from tradition, Mr Frost's is a political appointment rather than a civil service one – meaning he is more akin to a special adviser. Regarded as a close associate of Dominic Cummings, the 55-year-old has no previous national security experience. However, he will now be the principal adviser to the Prime Minister and Cabinet on national security strategy, policy and planning for emergencies.

Because the last thing this Government would want is experience in planning for emergencies

So now that Johnson and Cummings have 'dealt with' Covid, they are going to 'deal with' the civil service

 

[nicko31]

And what's behind today's window on the Brexiteer advent calendar ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8468593/Britains-chief-Brexit-negotiator-David-Frost-National-Security-Adviser.html

Replacing Sir Mark Sedwill as national security adviser with Boris Johnson's chief negotiator in Europe effectively sets a hard deadline on Brexit trade talks, Downing Street said last night. David Frost, a career diplomat, will move to his new role by the beginning of September. This means that talks with Brussels over a free trade deal will have to be completed by the end of August at the latest. If no agreement is reached by then, the UK will leave without a deal when the transition period ends on December 31. The Government hopes the deadline will increase pressure on EU leaders to make concessions which would which would make it easier to seal a free trade deal.

So we are sticking with the successful strategy of the last 2 years of waiting for the EU to blink first then

In another break from tradition, Mr Frost's is a political appointment rather than a civil service one – meaning he is more akin to a special adviser. Regarded as a close associate of Dominic Cummings, the 55-year-old has no previous national security experience. However, he will now be the principal adviser to the Prime Minister and Cabinet on national security strategy, policy and planning for emergencies.

Because the last thing this Government would want is experience in planning for emergencies

So now that Johnson and Cummings have 'dealt with' Covid, they are going to 'deal with' the civil service

Trying to deal with shaking up civil service, covid and leaving the world's largest free trade block all at once. Its the perfect way to try bury the Brexit disaster, the figures at the end of it will do the talking

 

[vegster]

And what's behind today's window on the Brexiteer advent calendar ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8468593/Britains-chief-Brexit-negotiator-David-Frost-National-Security-Adviser.html

Replacing Sir Mark Sedwill as national security adviser with Boris Johnson's chief negotiator in Europe effectively sets a hard deadline on Brexit trade talks, Downing Street said last night. David Frost, a career diplomat, will move to his new role by the beginning of September. This means that talks with Brussels over a free trade deal will have to be completed by the end of August at the latest. If no agreement is reached by then, the UK will leave without a deal when the transition period ends on December 31. The Government hopes the deadline will increase pressure on EU leaders to make concessions which would which would make it easier to seal a free trade deal.

So we are sticking with the successful strategy of the last 2 years of waiting for the EU to blink first then

In another break from tradition, Mr Frost's is a political appointment rather than a civil service one – meaning he is more akin to a special adviser. Regarded as a close associate of Dominic Cummings, the 55-year-old has no previous national security experience. However, he will now be the principal adviser to the Prime Minister and Cabinet on national security strategy, policy and planning for emergencies.

Because the last thing this Government would want is experience in planning for emergencies

So now that Johnson and Cummings have 'dealt with' Covid, they are going to 'deal with' the civil service

This sort of mirrors Trump's actions across the Pond, its all about getting compliant people, who won't have the brains, guts or morals in to the right place to do the leaders bidding.

 

[nicko31]

Where did it all go so wrong?

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Too much negativity: we've got a PM who can do a press up. Surely that's more important than f*ucking up the British economy!