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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024



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marlowe

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Dec 13, 2015
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Bodian said:
But he won't personally actually lose any money. It will just be the mug investors who have bought shares who will be losing out. He'll still sell some of his shares for something - which will be more than he put in.
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Of course, but the less he gets when he sells so much the better, and the more that the stock plummets the more it damages his "brand" regardless of any profit he personally makes.
 




Triggaaar

Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
50,207
Goldstone
Zeberdi said:
Thanks for taking the time to answer.

You lost me a bit on the ‘pathos’ and ‘dark enlightenment’ stuff - it sounds like something from Dungeons and Dragons or Harry Potter tbh but in so far as I can understand, yes, if what you are trying to say is that Trump’s popular support represents a societal change at a deeper level than simply a rotation of mainstream parties, then I agree but we differ deeply on your characterisation that it is a force of a benevolence .

The political ideology we see with the rise of Trump is comparable to Machiavelli’s idea that religion can help bolster power of political leaders whilst also being subjugated and moulded to the morality of government - It is ‘dark‘ because it redefines ‘religion‘ as a tool of a brand of Politics which has at it’s heart the over-riding imperative to seek power by any means necessary, including by (mis)appropriating in extreme form, traditional Christian values - Machiavellian, because it is a rise to power made possible by fraudulent claims, deceptive manipulation and/or by destroying (the reputation) of others. Political dominance is sought at any cost, including that to the liberal democratic institutions of the State.

Trump is the most partisan leader America has ever produced, is an anathema to international diplomacy because his power is dependent on perpetuating conflict and division - the yawning chasm in American society is something Trump exploits in his quest for power, not something he has any inclination to heal or even build a bridge over. Trump has nothing to offer beyond deconstructing power and rebuilding it in his own image and encouraging the despotism of the multitude - A very dangerous combination imo especially if its proponent is an emotionally stunted narcissist.

A revolution is never a desirable option where reform is suffice but a revolution with no ideology except to gain and hang onto to power for the sake of power is rotten and Machiavellian to its core.
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What an excellent reply
 


nwgull

nwgull

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Jul 25, 2003
13,827
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marlowe said:
Of course, but the less he gets when he sells so much the better, and the more that the stock plummets the more it damages his "brand" regardless of any profit he personally makes.
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Yep. There’ll be full-on MAGA believers that’ll have piled in a significant amount of their money at $50+ per share. If/when they end up losing 90% of that, they may not be quite so enthusiastic about Trump being their messiah.
 


Stat Brother

Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
73,833
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nwgull said:
Yep. There’ll be full-on MAGA believers that’ll have piled in a significant amount of their money at $50+ per share. If/when they end up losing 90% of that, they may not be quite so enthusiastic about Trump being their messiah.
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It'll be 'them' that lost their money, not Drumpf.
 


rogersix

rogersix

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Jan 18, 2014
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Crawley Dingo said:
You first, why are you so invested in seeing a foreign presidential candidate removed by lawfare(Electoral interference.) when you don't live there?
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cos it feels good. it appeals to our sense of justice, our humanity if you will. we are, after all, the most sociable creature ever to have evolved; it's our inherent desire to witness, "fair play"; and you?
 






Stat Brother

Stat Brother

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nwgull said:
They might blame him though, or at least it might them realise he’s a charlatan.
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I wish I could believe you, but I can't.
It'll be the secret cabal who are anti American, anti god fearing Christian ;) and anti hard work honest ordinary Joe's like me and Donny keeping us down.
 
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lasvegan

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Jan 30, 2009
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Deportivo Seagull said:
You really are excellent entertainment value. Biden isn’t doing anything to lock up ClusterTrump, he’s managing to do that all on his little lonesome. As for JFK Jr …🤦‍♂️ makes MAGA supporters look relatively normal, granted the bar is set very low. You should actually be embarrassed by using Democrats and Totalitarianism in the same sentence. However ClusterTrump certainly is, as shown by his love of dictators. As I said embarrassing….
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I think it’s you who should be embarrassed if you think that Biden is mentally fit to be president. Democrats are abusing the rule of law to imprison their main political opponent because they know they will lose the election if they don’t. It’s as totalitarian as it gets.

www.gingrich360.com

Newt Gingrich - Destroying the Rule of Law to Destroy President Trump

The desperate effort by New York Democrats to destroy President Donald Trump is the clearest example of the collapse of the rule of law happening today.
www.gingrich360.com www.gingrich360.com
 




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Bodian

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May 3, 2012
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lasvegan said:
I think it’s you who should be embarrassed if you think that Biden is mentally fit to be president. Democrats are abusing the rule of law to imprison their main political opponent because they know they will lose the election if they don’t. It’s as totalitarian as it gets.

www.gingrich360.com

Newt Gingrich - Destroying the Rule of Law to Destroy President Trump

The desperate effort by New York Democrats to destroy President Donald Trump is the clearest example of the collapse of the rule of law happening today.
www.gingrich360.com www.gingrich360.com
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Can you supply some concrete evidence that it is Biden setting all these court cases in train please?
 












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Springal

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Triggaaar

Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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lasvegan said:
Democrats are abusing the rule of law to imprison their main political opponent because they know they will lose the election if they don’t. It’s as totalitarian as it gets.
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What do you think about Trump saying he would get Hilary Clinton locked up, when he was standing for president the first time? (I appreciate you already have several other questions to go through)
 




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lasvegan

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Jan 30, 2009
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Sin City
Harry Wilson's tackle said:
It's the slurs against Biden.

If you can stand resolutely behind your choice for Trump, using cold rational reasoning, there is no need to underpin it with slurs.

You make a mistake by changing the contest to 'who is the most corrupt' and 'who is the most disgusting'. That one is easy - its Trump

Stick with competence to deliver to you, personally, the greater advantage, or you invite me to question your otherwise perverse affection for the pussy grabber.
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I have no affection for the perverse pussy grabber any more than the other perverse pussy grabber.

www.bbc.com

Tara Reade: What are the sex attack allegations against Joe Biden?

A former aide to the presidential candidate finds support for her sexual assault claim against him.
www.bbc.com

It’s purely political.
 




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One Love

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Aug 22, 2011
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