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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024



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That graph suggests that Trump didn't do much removal or returning, or am I reading it wrong?

Surely the performance of governments on stopping illegal immigration is just about counting. To prove that Trump was better than Biden should be pretty easy using verified numbers, I am surprised that this data wasn't posted in the initial claim in place of that shocking article from the NY post.
Trump did nothing of any value. Instead he weaponized it and created a monumental deflection, marinated in vindictiveness, designed to do nothing more than give his MAGA fans a massive boner.

He appeared on television claiming he would build a wall. A black wall. And that Mexico would pay for it. Yeah.....that was never going to happen, was it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump..., commonly referred,up to the year's election.

"As of December 2020, the total funding given for new fencing was about $15 billion (~$16.8 billion in 2022), a third of which had been given by Congress while Trump had ordered the rest taken from the military budget. This funding was intended to build new fencing over 738 miles (1,188 km), at a cost of about $20 million per mile; this would cover a little more than half the approximately 1,300 mi (2,100 km) that had no fencing when Trump took office.[53][54]

A March 2021 review of the Trump work on the wall found only 47 miles (76 km) of new barriers where none had previously existed. While Trump had described the new wall as "virtually impenetrable", it was found that smugglers had repeatedly sawed through the wall with cheap power tools. Also, new dirt roads that had been used to access the wall construction served as new access roads for smugglers.[55]"

The total lack of effect of this on illegal immigration numbers is captured on a figure I posted above.

Inspired by this expensive, headline-grabbing load of old bollocks, the lunatic fringe of the tory party decided that they would deal with their own 'illegal immigration' issue not by, er, dealing with it, but by gobbing off, and inventing a complete load of old bollocks policy of sending illegal immigrants to Rwanda.

Biden may be a duffer, but he is at least a grown up. Hopefully we will soon have some grown ups in charge in the UK.
 




BadFish

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I saw those and the illegal immigration looks reasonably consistent in comparison to Obama, I guess that Las Vegan has access to some post-2021 data that shows a spike in illegal immigration during Bidens Presidency.
 
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Bodian

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I saw those and the illegal immigration looks reasonably consistent in comparison to Obama, I guess that Las Vegan has access to some post-2021 data that shows a spike in illegal immigration during Bidens Presidency.
Yes, you'd hope that @lasvegan has such data and can provide it to us. Otherwise it's just unsubstantiated nonsense isn't it!
 


Igzilla

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Sep 27, 2012
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Apparently, ultra right-wing Biden has presided over an extreme level of expulsions in his zealous persecution of illegal immigrants, according to published data:

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Data also show that Trump was useless at controlling the busy south west border where 90% of illegal immigrants enter the UK. One could argue that Trump was so relaxed about illegal immigration that he actually encouraged it. On the other hand this was a problem that was quickly rectified by the Biden administration.

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You can prove anything with facts.
 


Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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Perhaps one of our resident Trump supporters could explain why Trump and his supporters are trying to block the Congressional Border Bill (which has cross party support), including blocking an urgent $61b funding package for Ukraine which is part of the Bill:

It looks like pure vainglorious electioneering from Trump and like every other issue, all he cares about is getting back into power, even if it means blocking a bill that will legislate for tougher border controls (which inter alia gives presidential powers to immediately close the border once crossings reach 5,000) in order that he can, as part of his election campaign, continue to attack Biden on ’doing nothing about the border issue’.

He is back to peddling falsehoods and racist comments about ‘millions and millions’ of Mexicans crossing the border and scaremongering the electorate into believing America is being ‘invaded’ - a term widely acknowledged as a deliberate term used to pave the way to justify an armed response to stop migrants from crossing.


 




beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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Perhaps one of our resident Trump supporters could explain why Trump and his supporters are trying to block the Congressional Border Bill (which has cross party support), including blocking an urgent $61b funding package for Ukraine which is part of the Bill:

It looks like pure vainglorious electioneering from Trump and like every other issue, all he cares about is getting back into power, even if it means blocking a bill that will legislate for tougher border controls (which inter alia gives presidential powers to immediately close the border once crossings reach 5,000) in order that he can, as part of his election campaign, continue to attack Biden on ’doing nothing about the border issue’.

He is back to peddling falsehoods and racist comments about ‘millions and millions’ of Mexicans crossing the border and scaremongering the electorate into believing America is being ‘invaded’ - a term widely acknowledged as a deliberate term used to pave the way to justify an armed response to stop migrants from crossing.


getting deep into partisan US politics here. its certainly not a simple Trump v Biden issue. as far as i can tell there is constitutional disagreement about power it gives federal government away from states. commentators have said they simply dont need the bill as powers already exist, the bill is about enabling migration rather than control (close the border with a quota hit). then there's the perverse US process of tacking on any old bollocks to a bill passing trhough congress, either as way of sneaking it through or blocking the orginal bill. then they get into blaming each other for something that isnt what either side wanted in the first place.
 








chickens

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Oct 12, 2022
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I saw those and the illegal immigration looks reasonably consistent in comparison to Obama, I guess that Las Vegan has access to some post-2021 data that shows a spike in illegal immigration during Bidens Presidency.

I’m sure he has, it was probably published on an alt-right website with no history of professional journalism.

I also suspect that the article will disappear or the whole site will suddenly become unavailable if anybody tries to hold it to account.
 




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Crawley Dingo

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If you believe that the US economy is doing well, the Trump is an irredeemable rogue in every possible way who is going to get his just deserts and also polls are showing support for Trump growing across every demographic.

Then you must conclude at least 1 of these 3 points are not true and you are being lied to on a massive scale.
 


Crawley Dingo

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Mar 31, 2022
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Definitely not a cult:


Its not a conspiracy theory its a spurious maybe paranoid claim. I read about it.

Taylor swift is a black Psyop to convince voters to vote Democrat as she supported them last time. I thought F me thats stretching it, then there was a slither on the right running with it then many on the left giving it haha righties Triggered by TS. To me its like WTF why am I seeing this drivel.

Don't bother replying to this as its ALL daft beyond reason.
 


Crawley Dingo

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Mar 31, 2022
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Funny how reputable organisations cant provide data for the last few years of the Biden regime innit?


Open Society Foundations (Soros)
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
The Rockefeller Foundation
Walmart (Cheap labour lol)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
 




Curious Orange

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A1X

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Data also show that Trump was useless at controlling the busy south west border where 90% of illegal immigrants enter the US*. One could argue that Trump was so relaxed about illegal immigration that he actually encouraged it. On the other hand this was a problem that was quickly rectified by the Biden administration. *typo corrected

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Ah but maybe they were all too busy building The Wall during that time to actually deal with the people crossing over?

Weird how few pictures there are of that massive wall he had 4 years to build.
 






Dibdab

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Sep 28, 2021
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The US elections really are an illusion of choice. All the options are right wing, all the options will continue to support Israeli genocide, aggressive war mongering, support mega business/elite interests, and the Saudi murder regime. Depressing.
 




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