[Politics] Donald Trump 2024

[Zeberdi]

Perhaps one of our resident Trump supporters could explain why Trump and his supporters are trying to block the Congressional Border Bill (which has cross party support), including blocking an urgent $61b funding package for Ukraine which is part of the Bill:

Romney: ‘Appalling’ Trump wants to kill border bill so he can ‘blame Biden’

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) on Thursday took aim at former President Trump for pushing Republican lawmakers to oppose a border deal so that he could use the issue to campaign against President Biden …

thehill.com

It looks like pure vainglorious electioneering from Trump and like every other issue, all he cares about is getting back into power, even if it means blocking a bill that will legislate for tougher border controls (which inter alia gives presidential powers to immediately close the border once crossings reach 5,000) in order that he can, as part of his election campaign, continue to attack Biden on ’doing nothing about the border issue’.

He is back to peddling falsehoods and racist comments about ‘millions and millions’ of Mexicans crossing the border and scaremongering the electorate into believing America is being ‘invaded’ - a term widely acknowledged as a deliberate term used to pave the way to justify an armed response to stop migrants from crossing.

Trump ties himself in knots on US-Mexico border in brazen political move

Mr Trump never completely stopped crossings along the US-Mexico border despite his harsh anti-immigrant policies

www.independent.co.uk

 

[beorhthelm]

Perhaps one of our resident Trump supporters could explain why Trump and his supporters are trying to block the Congressional Border Bill (which has cross party support), including blocking an urgent $61b funding package for Ukraine which is part of the Bill:

Romney: ‘Appalling’ Trump wants to kill border bill so he can ‘blame Biden’

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) on Thursday took aim at former President Trump for pushing Republican lawmakers to oppose a border deal so that he could use the issue to campaign against President Biden …

thehill.com

It looks like pure vainglorious electioneering from Trump and like every other issue, all he cares about is getting back into power, even if it means blocking a bill that will legislate for tougher border controls (which inter alia gives presidential powers to immediately close the border once crossings reach 5,000) in order that he can, as part of his election campaign, continue to attack Biden on ’doing nothing about the border issue’.

He is back to peddling falsehoods and racist comments about ‘millions and millions’ of Mexicans crossing the border and scaremongering the electorate into believing America is being ‘invaded’ - a term widely acknowledged as a deliberate term used to pave the way to justify an armed response to stop migrants from crossing.

Trump ties himself in knots on US-Mexico border in brazen political move

Mr Trump never completely stopped crossings along the US-Mexico border despite his harsh anti-immigrant policies

www.independent.co.uk

getting deep into partisan US politics here. its certainly not a simple Trump v Biden issue. as far as i can tell there is constitutional disagreement about power it gives federal government away from states. commentators have said they simply dont need the bill as powers already exist, the bill is about enabling migration rather than control (close the border with a quota hit). then there's the perverse US process of tacking on any old bollocks to a bill passing trhough congress, either as way of sneaking it through or blocking the orginal bill. then they get into blaming each other for something that isnt what either side wanted in the first place.

 

[Motogull]

Data also show that Trump was useless at controlling the busy south west border where 90% of illegal immigrants enter the UK.

I hate the fukka, but pinning UK immigration problems on him is a bit of a stretch.

 

[US Seagull]

Definitely not a cult:

US rightwing conspiracy theory touts Taylor Swift as ‘Pentagon asset’

Far-right influencers make absurd claim singer an ‘election psyop’ to ‘manipulate’ voters after ‘rigged’ Super Bowl favors Chiefs

www.theguardian.com

 

[chickens]

I saw those and the illegal immigration looks reasonably consistent in comparison to Obama, I guess that Las Vegan has access to some post-2021 data that shows a spike in illegal immigration during Bidens Presidency.

I’m sure he has, it was probably published on an alt-right website with no history of professional journalism.

I also suspect that the article will disappear or the whole site will suddenly become unavailable if anybody tries to hold it to account.

 

[schmunk]

Harry Wilson's Tackle:

Data also show that Trump was useless at controlling the busy south west border where 90% of illegal immigrants enter the UK.

I hate the fukka, but pinning UK immigration problems on him is a bit of a stretch.

Yes, seems a bit Scilly.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I hate the fukka, but pinning UK immigration problems on him is a bit of a stretch.

Oops. Better I fix that typo

 

[Crawley Dingo]

If you believe that the US economy is doing well, the Trump is an irredeemable rogue in every possible way who is going to get his just deserts and also polls are showing support for Trump growing across every demographic.

Then you must conclude at least 1 of these 3 points are not true and you are being lied to on a massive scale.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Definitely not a cult:

US rightwing conspiracy theory touts Taylor Swift as ‘Pentagon asset’

Far-right influencers make absurd claim singer an ‘election psyop’ to ‘manipulate’ voters after ‘rigged’ Super Bowl favors Chiefs

www.theguardian.com

Its not a conspiracy theory its a spurious maybe paranoid claim. I read about it.

Taylor swift is a black Psyop to convince voters to vote Democrat as she supported them last time. I thought F me thats stretching it, then there was a slither on the right running with it then many on the left giving it haha righties Triggered by TS. To me its like WTF why am I seeing this drivel.

Don't bother replying to this as its ALL daft beyond reason.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Some data to 2021 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...out-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

and 2022 https://www.statista.com/topics/3454/illegal-immigration-in-the-united-states/#topicOverview

Fairly recent https://www.migrationpolicy.org/news/turning-point-us-unauthorized-immigrant-population

Funny how reputable organisations cant provide data for the last few years of the Biden regime innit?

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/about/funders

Open Society Foundations (Soros)
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
The Rockefeller Foundation
Walmart (Cheap labour lol)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[Curious Orange]

Immigration Enforcement and Legal Processes Monthly Tables | Homeland Security

Monthly data tables on immigration enforcement and legal pathways and information on data and methodology

www.dhs.gov

I make no claims as to understanding any of the data in the spreadsheet linked off that page... but it is easy to find, and updated regularly.

 

[Triggaaar]

So you can’t?

It's actually difficult to find examples where he's not being racist or sexist.

 

[A1X]

Data also show that Trump was useless at controlling the busy south west border where 90% of illegal immigrants enter the US*. One could argue that Trump was so relaxed about illegal immigration that he actually encouraged it. On the other hand this was a problem that was quickly rectified by the Biden administration. *typo corrected

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Ah but maybe they were all too busy building The Wall during that time to actually deal with the people crossing over?

Weird how few pictures there are of that massive wall he had 4 years to build.

 

[Bodian]

Funny how reputable organisations cant provide data for the last few years of the Biden regime innit?

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/about/funders

Open Society Foundations (Soros)
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
The Rockefeller Foundation
Walmart (Cheap labour lol)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

That link doesn't seem to take me to any data. Are you providing some?

 

[Dibdab]

The US elections really are an illusion of choice. All the options are right wing, all the options will continue to support Israeli genocide, aggressive war mongering, support mega business/elite interests, and the Saudi murder regime. Depressing.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

Anyone else open this thread occasionally to see if he is dead yet ?

 

[US Seagull]

Anyone else open this thread occasionally to see if he is dead yet ?

I open the news every morning with that hope. And Putin too.

 

[US Seagull]

If you need a good laugh (and also in-depth legal analysis, which when it's the Trump and Habba clown show, is the same thing):



Shocking stuff from a graduate of one of the top 160 law schools in the country (#159)

 

[Pevenseagull]

Recruiting experts in Vegas and Crawley.

 

[lasvegan]

I clicked your link and with the greatest respect if I want to know how many immigrants have or have not entered America I am not going to seek out an article that begins:

"For three years, Joe Biden and his repulsive Homeland Security chief, Alejandro Mayorkas, have encouraged the Third World to enter America illegally. At least 8 million have answered their siren song."

I mean, come on. That's just childish babbl

I clicked your link and with the greatest respect if I want to know how many immigrants have or have not entered America I am not going to seek out an article that begins:

"For three years, Joe Biden and his repulsive Homeland Security chief, Alejandro Mayorkas, have encouraged the Third World to enter America illegally. At least 8 million have answered their siren song."

I mean, come on. That's just childish babble.

Data also show that Trump was useless at controlling the busy south west border where 90% of illegal immigrants enter the US*. One could argue that Trump was so relaxed about illegal immigration that he actually encouraged it. On the other hand this was a problem that was quickly rectified by the Biden administration. *typo corrected

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if 5 x the number are apprehended, then 5 x the number are entering and 5 x the number are getting through. Just look at the sorry state of our inner cities.