beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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Trump would have done as he was told by military advisors. some might have pushed for more intervention, earlier supply of some weapon systems.
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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024
- Thread starter Zeberdi
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I like to cut people a bit of slack and, despite the fact that nobody has presented a tiny cock-end of a piss-drop of justification for favouring Trump, I am still open to persuasion. And I say to those people, please try to persuade me. Don't call me a woke leftist, persuade me. With reason and logic.
Without going back and reading all the comments that my copious amounts of drinking may have evoked, let’s take one issue at a time. How do you think he is doing on the immigration issue? I’m an immigrant (obviously), but it took a lot time and money to do legally. 8 million illegals have crossed the border in 3 years. We don’t know who they are or why they are here. It is costing millions of dollars that communities do not have to accommodate them. Child trafficking, sex trafficking, drug smuggling is through the roof. Mexican cartels are raking in millions of dollars. The Biden administration is doing nothing to counter this problem, they are encouraging it.
Trump is all for legal immigration, but not the disaster that is currently deemed acceptable.
Joe Biden now doing what he does best — weaseling out of the blame for US border crisis
Biden claims he needs Republicans in Congress to give him the “authority to shut down the border when it becomes overwhelmed . . . I would use it the day I sign the bill into law.”
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But… Hunter Biden's laptop!
But… Hunter Biden's laptop!
So you can’t?Well played
But… Hunter Biden's laptop!
Not real then?
I clicked your link and with the greatest respect if I want to know how many immigrants have or have not entered America I am not going to seek out an article that begins:Without going back and reading all the comments that my copious amounts of drinking may have evoked, let’s take one issue at a time. How do you think he is doing on the immigration issue? I’m an immigrant (obviously), but it took a lot time and money to do legally. 8 million illegals have crossed the border in 3 years. We don’t know who they are or why they are here. It is costing millions of dollars that communities do not have to accommodate them. Child trafficking, sex trafficking, drug smuggling is through the roof. Mexican cartels are raking in millions of dollars. The Biden administration is doing nothing to counter this problem, they are encouraging it.
Trump is all for legal immigration, but not the disaster that is currently deemed acceptable.
Joe Biden now doing what he does best — weaseling out of the blame for US border crisis
Biden claims he needs Republicans in Congress to give him the “authority to shut down the border when it becomes overwhelmed . . . I would use it the day I sign the bill into law.”
"For three years, Joe Biden and his repulsive Homeland Security chief, Alejandro Mayorkas, have encouraged the Third World to enter America illegally. At least 8 million have answered their siren song."
I mean, come on. That's just childish babble.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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What is the data here? Would you share a link that shows the illegal immigration numbers over the last three/four presidents?Without going back and reading all the comments that my copious amounts of drinking may have evoked, let’s take one issue at a time. How do you think he is doing on the immigration issue? I’m an immigrant (obviously), but it took a lot time and money to do legally. 8 million illegals have crossed the border in 3 years. We don’t know who they are or why they are here. It is costing millions of dollars that communities do not have to accommodate them. Child trafficking, sex trafficking, drug smuggling is through the roof. Mexican cartels are raking in millions of dollars. The Biden administration is doing nothing to counter this problem, they are encouraging it.
Trump is all for legal immigration, but not the disaster that is currently deemed acceptable.
Joe Biden now doing what he does best — weaseling out of the blame for US border crisis
Biden claims he needs Republicans in Congress to give him the “authority to shut down the border when it becomes overwhelmed . . . I would use it the day I sign the bill into law.”
This will tell us the answer on how he is doing on the immigration issue.
Apparently, ultra right-wing Biden has presided over an extreme level of expulsions in his zealous persecution of illegal immigrants, according to published data:
Data also show that Trump was useless at controlling the busy south west border where 90% of illegal immigrants enter the US*. One could argue that Trump was so relaxed about illegal immigration that he actually encouraged it. On the other hand this was a problem that was quickly rectified by the Biden administration. *typo corrected
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Some data to 2021 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...out-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/
and 2022 https://www.statista.com/topics/3454/illegal-immigration-in-the-united-states/#topicOverview
Fairly recent https://www.migrationpolicy.org/news/turning-point-us-unauthorized-immigrant-population
Trumps argument will be Biden is so weak that if he was in power Ukraine wouldn't have happened at all.
Trump can point at his time in office and the relative peace to back up his claims, knowing full well you can't really compare times.
The Two things he will aim to win voters are on the southern border and the wars US troops are involved in.
Given the above data, I am going to call out the link posted by @lasvegan as a mischief piece written by the journalistic wing of the lunatic element that consider that outrageous lies are legitimate weapons in the MAGA war to get Trump re-elected. I could of course be wrong because, unlike the immigration data I posted above, this is just my opinion.
In the meantime, I look forward to the honesty I called for yesterday. Honesty from people who can say they support Trump just because he makes them feel better than Biden does, no special reason, and no particular concerns about Trump's patterns of behaviour. That is a legitimate stance, even if it leaves me askance.
Backing up a stance by posting links to ranty abuse and egregious and easily-disproven lies on what is probably a fake news sites, probably funded by Putin is, however, not the best way explain one's position, let alone win hearts and minds.
In the meantime, I look forward to the honesty I called for yesterday. Honesty from people who can say they support Trump just because he makes them feel better than Biden does, no special reason, and no particular concerns about Trump's patterns of behaviour. That is a legitimate stance, even if it leaves me askance.
Backing up a stance by posting links to ranty abuse and egregious and easily-disproven lies on what is probably a fake news sites, probably funded by Putin is, however, not the best way explain one's position, let alone win hearts and minds.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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That graph suggests that Trump didn't do much removal or returning, or am I reading it wrong?
Surely the performance of governments on stopping illegal immigration is just about counting. To prove that Trump was better than Biden should be pretty easy using verified numbers, I am surprised that this data wasn't posted in the initial claim in place of that shocking article from the NY post.
Trump did nothing of any value. Instead he weaponized it and created a monumental deflection, marinated in vindictiveness, designed to do nothing more than give his MAGA fans a massive boner.
He appeared on television claiming he would build a wall. A black wall. And that Mexico would pay for it. Yeah.....that was never going to happen, was it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump..., commonly referred,up to the year's election.
"As of December 2020, the total funding given for new fencing was about $15 billion (~$16.8 billion in 2022), a third of which had been given by Congress while Trump had ordered the rest taken from the military budget. This funding was intended to build new fencing over 738 miles (1,188 km), at a cost of about $20 million per mile; this would cover a little more than half the approximately 1,300 mi (2,100 km) that had no fencing when Trump took office.[53][54]
A March 2021 review of the Trump work on the wall found only 47 miles (76 km) of new barriers where none had previously existed. While Trump had described the new wall as "virtually impenetrable", it was found that smugglers had repeatedly sawed through the wall with cheap power tools. Also, new dirt roads that had been used to access the wall construction served as new access roads for smugglers.[55]"
The total lack of effect of this on illegal immigration numbers is captured on a figure I posted above.
Inspired by this expensive, headline-grabbing load of old bollocks, the lunatic fringe of the tory party decided that they would deal with their own 'illegal immigration' issue not by, er, dealing with it, but by gobbing off, and inventing a complete load of old bollocks policy of sending illegal immigrants to Rwanda.
Biden may be a duffer, but he is at least a grown up. Hopefully we will soon have some grown ups in charge in the UK.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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I saw those and the illegal immigration looks reasonably consistent in comparison to Obama, I guess that Las Vegan has access to some post-2021 data that shows a spike in illegal immigration during Bidens Presidency.
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