[Politics] Joe Biden vs Donald Trump *** Official Match Thread ***

[Weststander]

Last one wins by a mile

I find it hard to watch, fearing for the safety of the Burnley supporters.

 

[Notters]

Dickheads who wrongly celebrated:

Wasn't there a Cardiff one of these too which is a contender?

 

[Grombleton]

I'm not convinced Biden will win Arizona.

AP have called Arizona, unless there's a surge in votes i think it's Biden's.

 

[AZ Gull]

It was when Fox News stunned everyone by calling Arizona for Biden, ahead of the AP or anyone else. Trump allegedly went absolutely thermonuclear at that.


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I'm not convinced Biden will win Arizona.

A couple of articles about that call by Arnon Mishkin, the Director of the Fox News Decision Desk. He's been there since 2008 and apparently has a record of making early, but correct, calls. I read an article earlier that said he is apparently a registered Democrat, although I can't find that article now.

The second article explains why he was (and is) so sure about the call.

Fox News Made a Big Call in Arizona, Buoying Biden and Angering Trump

Fox News second-guessed calling Arizona for Biden. It was 100% election night's best moment

 

[LlcoolJ]

Last one wins by a mile

I will never stop finding that funny.

 

[Eeyore]

You can multiply your stake by 3.5 on Betfair if you follow the intuition that Trump will win.

I've just put £20 @ 5.25 for Trump to win overall in Smartmarkets. Odds seem a little long.

 

[LlcoolJ]

I've just put £20 @ 5.25 for Trump to win overall in Smartmarkets. Odds seem a little long.

Nice as a saver but you've thrown that cash away.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Whenever I see her, I often find myself saying AOC please

Indeed. She is MAGNIFICENT in every way.

 

[blue-shifted]

I will never stop finding that funny.

Yeh if ever i'm down, that brings me back up.

I wonder if they've started celebrating their promotion back to the Premier League yet?

 

[Randy McNob]

I get confused that Republicans are Red and democrats blue

The right should be blue and the left red ?

 

[Gabbiano]

130 thousand votes dropped in an instant with no reply (not even a solitary vote) for any other candidate doesn't raise either of your eyebrows then?

It was 138,000 out of 170,000. Not no reply.

They just entered in the Democrat number before the Republican one. You can literally see on your graph that Trumps line goes up too.

 

[dingodan]

Trump has mocked veterans and the disabled, refused to point blank condemn a racist murder by Alt Right. They aren’t what Farage would blare “FAKE NEWS”. We saw Trump live doing these things.

What is my ideology?

In the past I was pro Reagan (no regrets), and centre right UK governments when I felt it was right or the least worst option, although a Remainer I’ve always said that begrudgingly I accept the result. Also voting for Blair in 97 and later Lucas.

Like most people my ideology is a mix of views. Very anti Trump due to his bullying and belittling personality, oil and gas over climate change, devoid of empathy and policies to help the poor get decent healthcare.

It might be a mix of views but it's still ideological. You know, rather than believe. You talk about things which are debatable as if they are not, healthcare, climate change. I'm not expressing an opinion on either of those things when I say that there are arguments on both sides and I get that you have an opinion but your wider views tend to assume that the things you believe are one sided and settled and any view which goes against them are inherently bad/immoral/wrong. You use strawmen (his voters say in interviews because the 40m people are layabouts - that is not a fair reflection of the arguments against Obamacare).

I have very little interest in defending Trump, but he also didn't "refuse to point blank condemn a racist murder by Alt Right." I assume you are talking about Kyle Rittenhouse? That was a tragedy and I think Rittenhouse was ultimately in the wrong, but there are arguments on both sides of that too, and it certainly wasn't a racist murder by the Alt Right as you put it. You use a lot of loaded language and that along with the assumptions you make, makes you ideological (and very difficult to have a conversation with).

 

[Mellotron]

It was when Fox News stunned everyone by calling Arizona for Biden, ahead of the AP or anyone else. Trump allegedly went absolutely thermonuclear at that.


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Yep, I reckon that’s the moment. Completely ****ed up his whole gameplan.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

Again, typical liberal/left-wing response. Throwing around insults based on knowing the grand total of zilch.

You keep living in your land of make believe with your delusional thoughts if that keeps you happy.

Anyway, to ‘keep up’ with you, I’d have to slow down a lot, but I’ll make allowances as you’re probably tired from your excitement today.

Typical liberal response? Wtf aren you going on about. He rightly called you an idiot, because anyone sharing shoddy claims of fraud on an Internet forum, deserves to be called out. It's not needed and quite frankly, bloody dangerous to be making such accusations.

Claiming voting fraud just because they are losing, is utterly embarrassing to say the least.

 

[willalbion]

It might be a mix of views but it's still ideological. You know, rather than believe. You talk about things which are debatable as if they are not, healthcare, climate change. I'm not expressing an opinion on either of those things when I say that there are arguments on both sides and I get that you have an opinion but your wider views tend to assume that the things you believe are one sided and settled and any view which goes against them are inherently bad/immoral/wrong. You use strawmen (his voters say in interviews because the 40m people are layabouts - that is not a fair reflection of the arguments against Obamacare).

I have very little interest in defending Trump, but he also didn't "refuse to point blank condemn a racist murder by Alt Right." I assume you are talking about Kyle Rittenhouse? That was a tragedy and I think Rittenhouse was ultimately in the wrong, but there are arguments on both sides of that too, and it certainly wasn't a racist murder by the Alt Right as you put it. You use a lot of loaded language and that along with the assumptions you make, makes you ideological (and very difficult to have a conversation with).

I don't believe climate change is up for debate. Interesting use of language around Rittenhouse, you 'think' he was 'ultimately in the wrong' But then I guess I have a different ideology to you. Plus ca change and all that

 

[beorhthelm]

Interesting US stock markets are all up strongly pricing in a clear result. FB up 8% so much for them being scared of Democrat regulation

because there isnt Democrat control of both houses, any regulation will be muted at best.

 

[TomandJerry]

Donald Trump’s reelection campaign is demanding a recount in Wisconsin, as results show Joe Biden leading there by about 20,000 votes.

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[dingodan]

I don't believe climate change is up for debate. Interesting use of language around Rittenhouse, you 'think' he was 'ultimately in the wrong' But then I guess I have a different ideology to you. Plus ca change and all that

Yes, I think he was ultimately in the wrong. That's my opinion. He shouldn't have been where he was doing what he was, he should have left it to law enforcement. Then he got in a situation where he ended up shooting someone which was always possible because of the bad decision he made to be there doing that. But it wasn't cold blooded murder and it wasn't racist. It was a dumb kid who got scared and it's a tragedy for the people who got shot and for him. That's my opinion.

Climate change is debatable, it's debated, if you can't tell the difference between having a particular view and believing that no other views exist or are valid, thats' fine. But your way of looking at it is a step beyond believing that other views are incorrect, and it means that you too are an ideologue.

 

[beorhthelm]

130 thousand votes dropped in an instant with no reply (not even a solitary vote) for any other candidate doesn't raise either of your eyebrows then?

its because the blue line is over the red. if you look at where the red ends up its jut below the blue, so much have gone up too. about 1:3 but its gone up.

 

[Bozza]

Donald Trump’s reelection campaign is demanding a recount in Wisconsin, as results show Joe Biden leading there by about 20,000 votes.

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I'm sure I've heard/read several times that Wisconsin rules permit a recount to be requested if the difference is under 1% so no great surprise there.