General Election 2017

[Ernest]

The fact May still refused to go despite Amber Rudd's father dying on Monday is telling about her and the way she she does things

 

[Machiavelli]

The difference is that when you buy the paper of your choice, then you know what you are getting. With these audiences you are told one thing, but the reality seems rather different.

Another one on here who has some privileged access to reality.

 

[Bozza]

May to be next PM out to 1.19/1.20 on Betfair now - it was 1.14/1.15 this time last night.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I was thinking actually, the left on here tend to use the word "thick" for anyone that votes for the Tories or Ukip.......i have met many Labour supporters, i reckon they have their fair share looking at those on Jeremy Kyle.

What rubbish. This is simply not true. Tory supporters are more selfish than thick.

 

[Bozza]

What rubbish. This is simply not true. Tory supporters are more selfish than thick.

Is this sort of ****ish line of thought that I so despise.

 

[One Love]

Farron: irrelevant
Corbyn: 6
Lucas : irrelevant
Wood : irrelevant
Rudd : 6
Nuttell : irrelevant
Robertson : irrelevant

Score draw but the audience made it seem like a home game for Corbyn, so bias.

Farron: 7
Corbyn: 5
Lucas : 8
Wood : 3
Rudd : 2
Nuttell : 3
Robertson : 7

Not irrelevant because there will be a hung parliament.

 

[beorhthelm]

Education spending may be at an all time high due to inflation but per-pupil spending is way down meaning schools are having to make massive cuts. My own school is having to cut £200,000 from its budget.

i asd this before, im sure it was missed in the pages, but what is taking up the budget between the top line budget and per-pupil spend? has there been a substantial pupil increase? if you're taking a budget cut is that due to drop in pupils (dont know if that directly links to funding). is money going elsewhere other than front line teaching? etc, etc. point is there's more to it than simply budget cuts, whats the detail?

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

I'm in no more than an average situation in terms of work and security so I'm not speaking from a privileged perspective at all. I wish I was.

I just think the economy is by far and away the biggest factor in politics and Labour are a basket case in this area. Just read their policies. Maybe priorities change as you have kids, get older etc, but as a 30 year old the economy is 80% of what I consider and, despite the Brexit effect, I like what I see right now. Some of the issues you raise are undoubtedly a concern, but where the hell is the money coming from to sort them out?

You say the economy is at the forefront of your considerations but in 2010 the Tories promised to eliminate the deficit by 2015. In 2017 they're still nowhere near eliminating it, and they've openly admitted that they won't be doing it any time before 2021. Over 11 years to do what they promised to do in under 5, and more new public debt created in the process than every single Labour government in history combined? If that's "strong economic management", I'd hate to see what Tories would classify as chaotic, debt-soaring ineptitude (as many accuse Labour's economic policy).

After such spectacularly missed targets and George Osborne's departure from Westminster politics it's amazing that millions still believe in his austerity con, but Theresa May is still parroting the same kind of economically illiterate justifications for a blatantly unjustifiable economic agenda. The evidence is now absolutely clear that austerity only succeeded in transferring wealth from the majority to the super rich minority at the expense of the real economy.

I'm not saying that Labour have the answers but I question whether the Tories are as economically sounds of some perceive them to be. We hear a lot about 'Labour's magic money tree' but at least they've attempted to cost their manifesto unlike the Tories.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

So May is prepared to put Rudd up there after a very recent bereavement. Taking her place would not only have been the decent thing to do but she would have a reason for changing her mind that non-one could really query. However she clearly feared she would struggle and put her own narrow self interest first as she always seems to do. How anyone can trust her is a mystery to me; she has no convictions, no morality, no ideas, limited intelligence and no communication skills.

 

[Ernest]

You say the economy is at the forefront of your considerations but in 2010 the Tories promised to eliminate the deficit by 2015. In 2017 they're still nowhere near eliminating it, and they've openly admitted that they won't be doing it any time before 2021. Over 11 years to do what they promised to do in under 5, and more new public debt created in the process than every single Labour government in history combined? If that's "strong economic management", I'd hate to see what Tories would classify as chaotic, debt-soaring ineptitude (as many accuse Labour's economic policy).

After such spectacularly missed targets and George Osborne's departure from Westminster politics it's amazing that millions still believe in his austerity con, but Theresa May is still parroting the same kind of economically illiterate justifications for a blatantly unjustifiable economic agenda. The evidence is now absolutely clear that austerity only succeeded in transferring wealth from the majority to the super rich minority at the expense of the real economy.

I'm not saying that Labour have the answers but I question whether the Tories are as economically sounds of some perceive them to be. We hear a lot about 'Labour's magic money tree' but at least they've attempted to cost their manifesto unlike the Tories.

What happened to the long term economic plan ?

 

[LamieRobertson]

You say the economy is at the forefront of your considerations but in 2010 the Tories promised to eliminate the deficit by 2015. In 2017 they're still nowhere near eliminating it, and they've openly admitted that they won't be doing it any time before 2021. Over 11 years to do what they promised to do in under 5, and more new public debt created in the process than every single Labour government in history combined? If that's "strong economic management", I'd hate to see what Tories would classify as chaotic, debt-soaring ineptitude (as many accuse Labour's economic policy).

After such spectacularly missed targets and George Osborne's departure from Westminster politics it's amazing that millions still believe in his austerity con, but Theresa May is still parroting the same kind of economically illiterate justifications for a blatantly unjustifiable economic agenda. The evidence is now absolutely clear that austerity only succeeded in transferring wealth from the majority to the super rich minority at the expense of the real economy.

I'm not saying that Labour have the answers but I question whether the Tories are as economically sounds of some perceive them to be. We hear a lot about 'Labour's magic money tree' but at least they've attempted to cost their manifesto unlike the Tories.

Cost there manifesto.... when Corbyn can remember that is

 

[seagulls4ever]

Is this sort of ****ish line of thought that I so despise.

One thing's for sure, you're never going to win people over by insulting them.

 

[seagulls4ever]

May to be next PM out to 1.19/1.20 on Betfair now - it was 1.14/1.15 this time last night.

New YouGov/Times poll just released. Things might change even further!

CON: 42% (-1)
LAB: 39% (+3)
LDEM: 7% (-2)
UKIP: 4% (-)

(via @YouGov / 30 - 31 May)

 

[Bozza]

One thing's for sure, you're never going to win people over by insulting them.

Win people over to what?

 

[Steve.S]

These debates should be like the Champions League with a set criteria for being invited. I would say 3 - 5 seats min in the commons in the current Parliament is the criteria for attending a debate so that we get a focussed dialogue of those actually wielding the power in our house of commons.

Agree, I thought in recent times the Brown, Cameron and Clegg was one of the better ones. Maybe the best way forward is to have just 3 main leaders.


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[LamieRobertson]

New YouGov/Times poll just released. Things might change even further!

CON: 42% (-1)
LAB: 39% (+3)
LDEM: 7% (-2)
UKIP: 4% (-)

(via @YouGov / 30 - 31 May)

There's only one result that will count and that's on June 8th....not long now

 

[Is it PotG?]

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

i asd this before, im sure it was missed in the pages, but what is taking up the budget between the top line budget and per-pupil spend? has there been a substantial pupil increase? if you're taking a budget cut is that due to drop in pupils (dont know if that directly links to funding). is money going elsewhere other than front line teaching? etc, etc. point is there's more to it than simply budget cuts, whats the detail?

A lot of it is from the proposed funding changes. The Education Policy Institute (EPI) research, published on Friday, says that inflationary pressures, a reduction in local authority funding and the £3bn of savings forced on schools by 2019-20 will leave even those schools supposed to benefit under the new formula worse off. It looks like all schools in England are likely to face real-term cuts to funding by 2019-20, with around half seeing a reduction per pupil of 6% to 11%.

 

[vegster]

Is this sort of ****ish line of thought that I so despise.

Language Bozza !