General Election 2017

[Ernest]

Corbyn as low as 7/2 in places to be next PM, a bit like when he first stood for leadership when he was any odds you like as he was dismissed as having no chance

 

[Machiavelli]

As usual, there is nothing to be learnt from these debates and nobody comes out of it looking clever.

I find it amazing that Theresa May wouldn't take part though. How can we have a PM who is so obviously terrified of public speaking? She claims to have been busy canvassing on the streets. At 9pm on a Wednesday? Mental. And she doesn't need to be a genius to work out all other participants will mention her no show every two minutes, creating a black mark against her name for no reason. All she had to do was turn up, play it safe, say nothing stupid and she'd have been fine. She always seems unsure at PMQs to me, even when she's delivering the scripted lines, so there is something odd there.

I'll vote Conservative because the policies make sense, the sums add up, it rewards the hard workers in society and it means Brexit will be carried out properly, but with a strong leader with some grasp of reality I think Labour could have had this election simply because May cannot campaign and connect with the voters in any way.

Well, I disagree with you on just about everything:
-- May didn't turn up because she comes across dreadfully in such formats, but this one in particular was completely loaded against the Tories and/or the sitting government: think about it, she/they have to share a platform with six different parties, four or five (all of them which are smaller) of which are considerably to the left and will indicate similar points of view or, more likely, reinforce similar points of view
-- the Tories policy, by definition, don't make much sense (that's what conservatism is about, unlike liberalism or socialism, it's not based on certain core principles, its based on conserving what has existed -- which tends to be rigid hierarchies)
-- even you ought to be getting bored by now, after seven years, of claims about the Tories sums: remind us all of how the Tories deficit reduction strategy is going, and what they claimed when they returned to power in 2015
-- Tories rewarding hard workers is just not worth engaging with
-- Brexit being 'carried out properly' by May sounds positively frightening
-- and as you have such a strong grasp of reality (like so many others on here), please tell us how she will get on with foreign policy, climate change and Trump

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Cost there manifesto.... when Corbyn can remember that is

Your response to the Tories economic failure is a dig at JC not remembering a figure?

 

[LamieRobertson]

Corbyn as low as 7/2 in places to be next PM, a bit like when he first stood for leadership when he was any odds you like as he was dismissed as having no chance

If you genuinely think JC is the next pm I wouldn't bother with the bookies I'm convert all your savings into the greenback

 

[LamieRobertson]

Your response to the Tories economic failure is a dig at JC not remembering a figure?

It's a factual response to a comment on labour ..I'd hope someone applying to become Pm would remember figures on a major policy statement ..as I would against Conservative..simple as that..I've lived through several years of economic incompetence by both main parties

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

A lot of it is from the proposed funding changes. The Education Policy Institute (EPI) research, published on Friday, says that inflationary pressures, a reduction in local authority funding and the £3bn of savings forced on schools by 2019-20 will leave even those schools supposed to benefit under the new formula worse off. It looks like all schools in England are likely to face real-term cuts to funding by 2019-20, with around half seeing a reduction per pupil of 6% to 11%.

Schools have also had large increases to their staffs national insurance and pension contributions. These increases have to come out of the same budget the government keeps referring to but strangely never mentions that they have left schools with no option but to drastically trim teaching and support staff.

 

[Machiavelli]

Farron: 7
Corbyn: 5 -- 6
Lucas : 8 -- 9
Wood : 3 -- 1
Rudd : 2 -- 3
Nuttell : 3 -- 2
Robertson : 7 -- 6

Not irrelevant because there will be a hung parliament.

Nearly. My figs come after yours. Your last comment, I strongly suspect, however will be wrong: it'll be a Tory government, the only question is how many seats their majority will be.

 

[Soulman]

Corbyn as low as 7/2 in places to be next PM, a bit like when he first stood for leadership when he was any odds you like as he was dismissed as having no chance

Just read that Abbott has put a tenner on JC at 7/2, she said she hopes to pick up £70 if he wins.

 

[seagulls4ever]

Win people over to what?

During debates, you're generally trying to persuade people to your point of view. Politics or anything else. If you insult people, they are far less likely to want to listen to what you have to say. Winning people over to anything. Even if you don't agree with people, you should try and see things from their perspective. I think it's part of the reason why we voted to leave the EU, for example. Many of the arguments from the remain side were simply to call the those who wanted to leave racists, bigots, etc. In reality, remainers, including politicians, not taking seriously the valid concerns about what the EU was doing to our country contributed to us deciding to leave.

 

[cjd]

Is this sort of ****ish line of thought that I so despise.

I,m so pleased you said that.

Herr Tubthumper has long been the most obnoxious poster on this forum.

 

[The Rivet]

One thing's for sure, you're never going to win people over by insulting them.

Some posters deserve it at times, even me!

 

[Questions]

Is this sort of ****ish line of thought that I so despise.

That's disgusting language to use on here. Where are the moderators ?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I,m so pleased you said that.

Herr Tubthumper has long been the most obnoxious poster on this forum.

Oh, i dunno, there's some pretty stiff competition!

 

[Machiavelli]

Is this sort of ****ish line of thought that I so despise.

Is this post worthy of an infraction?

 

[nicko31]

The fact May still refused to go despite Amber Rudd's father dying on Monday is telling about her and the way she she does things

She missed an opportunity to show a human side

 

[Questions]

Just read that Abbott has put a tenner on JC at 7/2, she said she hopes to pick up £70 if he wins.

She'll be able to get her hair done then.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Had to be out and about - is it worth watching on catchup?

Yes. Farron 's best campaign moment so far, Lucas on it and showing why she'd be in many a Fantasy Cabinet. Good TV.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I,m so pleased you said that.

Herr Tubthumper has long been the most obnoxious poster on this forum.

Jesus snowflake. I said Tories are selfish, without any swearing. Get a grip of yourself.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Just read that Abbott has put a tenner on JC at 7/2, she said she hopes to pick up £70 if he wins.

She's corrected that to 300k over four years

 

[Soulman]

She'll be able to get her hair done then.

Yep, and still have £75 change.