[Politics] Brexit

[GT49er]

Apparently there's a difference between the English populist movement and everyone else's. The movements in Hungary and Holland and France and indeed the USA are based on a general (and jolly well justified in my view) disenchantment with the way their countries are being governed, the opportunities, the environment, public services, housing and so on. The English populist movement is driven by a highly-focused dislike of specific policies emerging from the Berlaymont together with a desire to unleash our full trading potential by reducing our access to the single market.

Well, I think I can say that all 17M leave voters have no idea what a Berlaymont is. Why on earth, if it was such a fundamental factor, didn't remain play it as their trump card?

 

[smeg]

..............also persisting with his assumption that all leavers are right wing neo-fascist party enthusiasts.

I'm not actually, in fact i'm arguing against that by suggesting that there were multiple reasons why people voted leave

 

[Lincoln Imp]

..............also persisting with his assumption that all leavers are right wing neo-fascist party enthusiasts.

1. There's a programme on TV tonight about problems in the EU.

2. It will centre on the campaigns of parties and politicians in (I believe) four EU countries.

3. All those involved have the potential to cause the EU problems and to one degree or another can be regarded as anti-EU - that is what they have in common.

4. I therefore assumed that Brexit enthusiasts in the UK would be desperately keen to watch and cheer this assorted bunch of oddities on.

I am not calling all leavers right-wing neo-fascists. If you look at another post I made today you will see that I suggest pretty much the exact opposite. However, since you raise the issue, there is a danger of giving a certain impression if you keep the sort of company some of your fellow-Brexiters keep.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I'm not actually, in fact i'm arguing against that by suggesting that there were multiple reasons why people voted leave

And that is what I have argued too. It is not an argument the hard Brexiters generally approve of.

 

[Soulman]

Forgive me, but what specific point are you making here?

"all 17m of them I suppose".

 

[Soulman]

1. There's a programme on TV tonight about problems in the EU.

2. It will centre on the campaigns of parties and politicians in (I believe) four EU countries.

3. All those involved have the potential to cause the EU problems and to one degree or another can be regarded as anti-EU - that is what they have in common.

4. I therefore assumed that Brexit enthusiasts in the UK would be desperately keen to watch and cheer this assorted bunch of oddities on.

I am not calling all leavers right-wing neo-fascists. If you look at another post I made today you will see that I suggest pretty much the exact opposite. However, since you raise the issue, there is a danger of giving a certain impression if you keep the sort of company some of your fellow-Brexiters keep.

Will that be all "17m" of us. You stated it and then tried to back track, the "danger" is you keep on generalising.

 

[smeg]

And that is what I have argued too. It is not an argument the hard Brexiters generally approve of.

Been keeping a low profile on here recently but reassuring to note that not much has changed

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Will that be all "17m" of us. You stated it and then tried to back track, the "danger" is you keep on generalising.

Your logic is disintegrating. As explained, I thought that you strong Brexiters would welcome a programme about the problems being caused to the EU by assorted politicians across Europe.

My comment that 'all 17m' Leave voters might enjoy a documentary about the problems of the EU was an ironic nod to the fact that Brexiters on here often claim that everyone who voted Leave did so for reasons specifically connected with the EU and its policies. I have always thought that this is a daft claim frankly (Remain supporters on here have said time and time again that people voted Leave for many different reasons), but I accept that some say they think it is true. Hence my reference to "all 17m I suppose".

There is no backtracking, but there was a gentle irony. It is sometime said that American can't understand British irony. Are you from Des Moines?

 

[Two Professors]

I suppose I shouldn't have given Viktor the English spelling but what's wrong with the other two?

When she is sworn in as President,it will be as Marion Anne-Marine is a nickname.Sorry if I was nit-picking.

 

[Two Professors]

See, it's times like this that leopards show their spots - Criticise her policies and performance all you like, but says it all that you judge her based upon your perception of her beauty.

What policies?Her most recent performance?Somebody staging a miraculous recovery 2/10
Double bagger status 100%.
If that's all you can find to whinge about today then I should dry your eyes and have a gin & lemon (you provide the bitter)

P.S.It seems to be alright for you humourless drones to keep having a go at Farage,Trump,May etc,but you don't like it when somebody does it back to your side.

 

[Two Professors]

1. There's a programme on TV tonight about problems in the EU.

2. It will centre on the campaigns of parties and politicians in (I believe) four EU countries.

3. All those involved have the potential to cause the EU problems and to one degree or another can be regarded as anti-EU - that is what they have in common.

4. I therefore assumed that Brexit enthusiasts in the UK would be desperately keen to watch and cheer this assorted bunch of oddities on.

I am not calling all leavers right-wing neo-fascists. If you look at another post I made today you will see that I suggest pretty much the exact opposite. However, since you raise the issue, there is a danger of giving a certain impression if you keep the sort of company some of your fellow-Brexiters keep.

Why should we bother looking at a programme about the EU?Nothing to do with us anymore.

 

[GT49er]

I'm not actually, in fact i'm arguing against that by suggesting that there were multiple reasons why people voted leave

I am not calling all leavers right-wing neo-fascists. If you look at another post I made today you will see that I suggest pretty much the exact opposite. However, since you raise the issue, there is a danger of giving a certain impression if you keep the sort of company some of your fellow-Brexiters keep.

And that is what I have argued too. It is not an argument the hard Brexiters generally approve of.

I'm quite sure people had lots of different reasons for voting to leave; I don't suppose remainers were in complete unanimity about why they wanted to remain either. I don't think there can be much reasonable dispute about that.

So why suggest 17M of us will all want to be glued to the TV when Marine Le Penn and her neo-fascist chums are on?

 

[melias shoes]

Will that be all "17m" of us. You stated it and then tried to back track, the "danger" is you keep on generalising.

I'd like him to call me a right wing neo fascist/ racist. Considering I have mixed race in my family. What is it with these 'Tolerant' Liberals. They don't get what they want and become far from 'Tolerant '. Your a racist/fascist they shout and they perceive themselves to be the intelligent ones. Brexit......racists. Trump wins racists. Grow up. You sometimes don't get what you want.

 

[Two Professors]

Still need 118,000+ views to get to the magic million.Keep the abuse and insults going a bit longer folks.

 

[melias shoes]

I'm quite sure people had lots of different reasons for voting to leave; I don't suppose remainers were in complete unanimity about why they wanted to remain either. I don't think there can be much reasonable dispute about that.

So why suggest 17M of us will all want to be glued to the TV when Marine Le Penn and her neo-fascist chums are on?

Simply because we're all racists. He says not all leavers are but that is the bottom line.

 

[melias shoes]

Why should we bother looking at a programme about the EU?Nothing to do with us anymore.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Still need 118,000+ views to get to the magic million.Keep the abuse and insults going a bit longer folks.

This

 

[Soulman]

I'm quite sure people had lots of different reasons for voting to leave; I don't suppose remainers were in complete unanimity about why they wanted to remain either. I don't think there can be much reasonable dispute about that.

So why suggest 17M of us will all want to be glued to the TV when Marine Le Penn and her neo-fascist chums are on?

He can not help himself, he suggests all 17m, then and puts alongside the words "neo-fascist chums", then suggests it is not really all of us (17m) .
I shall not be watching it, the people of France, Holland etc will make up their OWN minds and vote accordingly...... i voted in the UK and for the interests of the UK as i felt fit.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I'm quite sure people had lots of different reasons for voting to leave; I don't suppose remainers were in complete unanimity about why they wanted to remain either. I don't think there can be much reasonable dispute about that.

So why suggest 17M of us will all want to be glued to the TV when Marine Le Penn and her neo-fascist chums are on?

It's nice that we are in agreement that people had many reasons to vote as they did.

Regarding the 17m, please see post 26607.

 

[smeg]

I'm quite sure people had lots of different reasons for voting to leave; I don't suppose remainers were in complete unanimity about why they wanted to remain either. I don't think there can be much reasonable dispute about that.

So why suggest 17M of us will all want to be glued to the TV when Marine Le Penn and her neo-fascist chums are on?

I personally thought the 17M statement was ironic because most of the Brexiters here seem to think the vote was a cut and dry issue and not a multitude of issues