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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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BigGully

Well-known member
Sep 8, 2006
7,139
Those in employment down as caution in hiring post Brexit vote begins to bit and numbers in work to fall further across 2017.

That is just not an accurate assessment of the data released, I suspect you know it, but to expect to get away with it makes you look a little daft .....
 




studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
29,637
On the Border
That is just not an accurate assessment of the data released, I suspect you know it, but to expect to get away with it makes you look a little daft .....

The number of people in employment has fallen for the first time in more than a year amid warnings that Brexit is starting to have an effect on the jobs market.

Job numbers fell by 6,000 to 31.8 million in the three months to October as the employment rate slipped from a record high of 74.5% to 74.4%, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

Some experts said it suggested the labour market was now faltering after employers initially took the impact of the Brexit vote in their stride.

ONS senior statistician David Freeman said: "The labour market appears to have flattened off in recent months.

"While the employment rate remains high, it is slightly down on the record set recently.

"Meanwhile a small fall in unemployment on the quarter was more than offset by a rise in economic inactivity.


So the above is not accurate?,

I know doom and gloom not permitted we must all smile and say how wonderfullt well we are foing.
 


Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
24,869
Guiseley
Exactly. There are millions of educated and highly skilled young men in nearby Turkey, fluent in English and wanting to come here to get on, who can be utilised when and where needed in our economy post-Brexit, who can't be currently.

The vast majority of immigrants to this country come from outside the EU, as has been widely publicised.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,315
So the above is not accurate?,

no, its an opinion and supposition to fit a single piece evidence. last week i read an article that said City job vacancies were higher than a year ago, though based on a single recruitment company cant be sure if its a trend or better marketing from that one company.

if you want to take isolated stats as clear guidance go ahead but i hope decision makers dont. 6000, or 0.1% isnt even worth talking about normally, margin of error must be substantially more.
 


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,748
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
The vast majority of immigrants to this country come from outside the EU, as has been widely publicised.

284k v 289k to June 2016 according to this though - https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics

My point is, in terms of free movement ending, we will still have immigration to this country, including unskilled and skilled workers, though the number and demographic of our immigration could change. If the NFU is wanting to trial a non-EU fixed-term work permit scheme next summer, due to recruitment shortfalls in agriculture and horticulture before we've even left The EU, where will these non-EU workers come from? There's a large, young non EU population close by in Turkey, many educated and fluent in English who could fill whatever those roles and others if required.
 




Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
We had a vote in the 70's to join Europe, only you lot did not accept the democratic decision, or does campaigning for the other side only work one way?

So should we just elect one government,then,and stick with it for ever?People change their minds,and their votes.Isn't that how democracy works?Or does it only work when your side win?
 


BigGully

Well-known member
Sep 8, 2006
7,139
The number of people in employment has fallen for the first time in more than a year amid warnings that Brexit is starting to have an effect on the jobs market.

Job numbers fell by 6,000 to 31.8 million in the three months to October as the employment rate slipped from a record high of 74.5% to 74.4%, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

Some experts said it suggested the labour market was now faltering after employers initially took the impact of the Brexit vote in their stride.

ONS senior statistician David Freeman said: "The labour market appears to have flattened off in recent months.

"While the employment rate remains high, it is slightly down on the record set recently.

"Meanwhile a small fall in unemployment on the quarter was more than offset by a rise in economic inactivity.


So the above is not accurate?,

I know doom and gloom not permitted we must all smile and say how wonderfullt well we are foing.

Oh come on, its a set of data, just the one after some very positive data for the same set of figures, you can call it how you wish, but unemployment stands at an 11 year low, whilst average earnings have risen, you are just wheeling out the same discredited economic forecasters that yearn for some bad news to try and validate their earlier mistakes.

If you just hold your horses, there will eventually be some worse economic data, it seems inevitable with a global slowdown and the EU's continued stagnation, we can then argue the toss whether it is a Brexit issue or not and how well or other we are positioned to deal with it, but on this set of data you are showing a desperation to pin anything on Brexit because up till now nothing that you have predicted has materialised.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38313110
 


Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
24,869
Guiseley
284k v 289k to June 2016 according to this though - https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-net-migration-statistics

My point is, in terms of free movement ending, we will still have immigration to this country, including unskilled and skilled workers, though the number and demographic of our immigration could change. If the NFU is wanting to trial a non-EU fixed-term work permit scheme next summer, due to recruitment shortfalls in agriculture and horticulture before we've even left The EU, where will these non-EU workers come from? There's a large, young non EU population close by in Turkey, many educated and fluent in English who could fill whatever those roles and others if required.

It would be worth it just to have the Brexiters who voted "out" to stop Turkish people coming to the UK end up with far more Turkish people coming to the UK!
 




Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
It would be worth it just to have the Brexiters who voted "out" to stop Turkish people coming to the UK end up with far more Turkish people coming to the UK!

God,you are desperate!Fixed-term contract means once they have completed the work they were required for,they go home again.
 


GT49er

Well-known member
Feb 1, 2009
46,757
Gloucester
It would be worth it just to have the Brexiters who voted "out" to stop Turkish people coming to the UK end up with far more Turkish people coming to the UK!

I don't remember stopping Turkish people coming to the UK to work being mentioned in the leave campaign. I'm not sure how many Brexiters thought as they were putting the X on their voting slips that this was anything to do with Turkish people. Very few, I would suggest.
 


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,748
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
I don't remember stopping Turkish people coming to the UK to work being mentioned in the leave campaign. I'm not sure how many Brexiters thought as they were putting the X on their voting slips that this was anything to do with Turkish people. Very few, I would suggest.

True, Turks weren't mentioned specifically.

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ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,748
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
I don't remember stopping Turkish people coming to the UK to work being mentioned in the leave campaign. I'm not sure how many Brexiters thought as they were putting the X on their voting slips that this was anything to do with Turkish people. Very few, I would suggest.

Actually, they did. I'd forgotten too.

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pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
Exactly. There are millions of educated and highly skilled young men in nearby Turkey, fluent in English and wanting to come here to get on, who can be utilised when and where needed in our economy post-Brexit, who can't be currently.

i know you lot are finding it hard......the whole concept of everyone being equal to apply to come here in a post brexit world.
but this is schoolboy stuff chap........what about the women?

some of you are in need of a bit of enforced diversity training me thinks :hilton:
 






alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
It would be worth it just to have the Brexiters who voted "out" to stop Turkish people coming to the UK end up with far more Turkish people coming to the UK!

Just as long as it's not near you though eh ? Diversity is wonderful as long as it's poor people in London and other big cities who have to compete for already scarce resources :thumbsup:
 


alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
Exactly. There are millions of educated and highly skilled young men in nearby Turkey, fluent in English and wanting to come here to get on, who can be utilised when and where needed in our economy post-Brexit, who can't be currently.

Educated and highly skilled in what ?
 


Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,959
Crawley
I don't remember stopping Turkish people coming to the UK to work being mentioned in the leave campaign. I'm not sure how many Brexiters thought as they were putting the X on their voting slips that this was anything to do with Turkish people. Very few, I would suggest.

Quite a lot, I would suggest.
 






studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
29,637
On the Border
but on this set of data you are showing a desperation to pin anything on Brexit because up till now nothing that you have predicted has materialised.

Higher inflation, lower pound......

You can keep talking about one set of data but a trend is clear. I wonder how you are going to dismiss all the 2017 figures, other than say its down to Trump, China and anyone else other than the Brexit vote.
 


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