[Politics] Brexit

[brighton fella]

You can cross from Ireland into Britain without showing a passport, this is not an EU arrangement though so it should continue. Not sure we have an open border anywhere else. The only way an illegal immigrant can access benefits is with bogus documents, so unless you think the EU somehow prevents us from policing this, or is issuing the dodgy documents, I still don't get how you think Brexit will help?

The point is our boarders are open..they are open to the whole of Europe ..it's what's known as free movement of people. and judging by the amounts coming in confusion is bound to take place which is when mistakes get made therefore it is hardly surprising that one or two will manage to slip through the net.
Though to be fair the problem is a whole lot worse than just a few slipping through the net so yes it would be unfair of me to pin the entire blame on the EU, just saying that the EU don't help matters and getting out would be a step in the right direction.

 

[Two Professors]

Maybe you could look up repatriation, but yes, making Britain a poorer country will make us less attractive to migrants.

Whooooosh!
You totally miss my point.If Great Britain is as bad as you lot make out,and is going to get worse,why do so many EU citizens want to come here instead of Germany,France etc.?Knowing that we are leaving should surely tell them not to make their arduous way here,when there are heavens-on-Earth so much closer.And don't come the old 'most of them are students' cobblers!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

The illegal's....well they are always going to be attracted to the UK all the time it has an open border and a system that continues to give free handouts ..,.

You were asked why we need to leave the EU in order to repatriate illegal immigrants and your post here doesn't seem to answer the question.

By definition the vast majority of 'illegals' are non-EU citizens and as far as such citizens are concerned the UK's approach to its border controls, now and in the future, has nothing to do with this country's membership of the EU.

 

[brighton fella]

You were asked why we need to leave the EU in order to repatriate illegal immigrants and your post here doesn't seem to answer the question.

By definition the vast majority of 'illegals' are non-EU citizens and as far as such citizens are concerned the UK's approach to its border controls, now and in the future, has nothing to do with this country's membership of the EU.

Scroll down a bit further and you will find that i said that the EU is not entirely to blame. and i also said that by getting out would be a step in the right direction..

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Whooooosh!
You totally miss my point.If Great Britain is as bad as you lot make out,and is going to get worse,why do so many EU citizens want to come here instead of Germany,France etc.?Knowing that we are leaving should surely tell them not to make their arduous way here,when there are heavens-on-Earth so much closer.And don't come the old 'most of them are students' cobblers!

I wasn't your whooooshee but your post doesn't seem to make sense. The stats for last year show that the UK had far fewer asylum applications per capita than the EU average - under 25 per cent of the average - and in a list of European countries we were in 22nd place.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Scroll down a bit further and you will find that i said that the EU is not entirely to blame. and i also said that by getting out would be a step in the right direction..

Well it's good that you agree that the EU isn't 'entirely to blame' for illegal immigration to the UK from outside Europe. I'll accept any morsel!

 

[BigGully]

Well, apart from cleaner beaches, cleaner air, cleaner rivers, better maternity pay, better employment rights for part time workers, reduction in hours worked by school kids, maximum 48hr working week (one of the things UK government tried to block, but just got a temporary exemption which is about to run out), sustaining agriculture, consumer protection, freedom to work, live and travel in EU, free trade in the EU, not a lot really.

Thats quite a mixed bag, many of it attributes to the EU's stagnation and its uncompetitiveness leading to widespread unemployment and low growth and quite how you see this as a reflection of the EU as a whole and not just a few countries within in it tells me you dont travel very much or if you do its between a selective few countries whilst your last bit is just a remainers agenda which we have democratically rejected.

 

[GT49er]

You were asked why we need to leave the EU in order to repatriate illegal immigrants and your post here doesn't seem to answer the question.

How about they will no longer be able to go bleating to European Courts to overturn or delay the decisions to repatriate them made by British courts (a la Abu Hamsa).

 

[pb21]

Just received my annual tax summary for 2015-16.

Apparently 1% of the tax I paid went towards the UK contribution to the EU budget.

Thank ×××× we are leaving this massive drain on our economy.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Employers across the UK have shrugged off economic uncertainty from the Brexit vote, reporting the most optimistic outlook on hiring plans in three years.

Manpower, one of the top recruitment companies in the UK, said companies had returned to a “business as usual” approach to hiring after a pause in plans after the EU referendum. Its survey found that jobseekers will head into the new year in “high spirits” after its net employment outlook for the UK rose to 7 per cent, up two percentage points from the previous quarter.

“It has surprised us,” Mark Cahill, managing director of Manpower, said of the latest survey. “When you look back at the Brexit vote, there was an awful lot of uncertainty before and after. But I think people are looking at 2017 and thinking, ‘We have got all our plans and budgets ahead of us and we just need to get on with it. There is no point hanging around thinking what is going to happen.’”

The upbeat news on hiring plans is in contrast to a report last month from the Bank of England’s regional agents which said employment was expected to be broadly flat over the next six months. It also provides a good start to an important week for determining how the UK economy is faring in the final three months of the year. The official reading for consumer price inflation today is expected to show a rise in the headline rate from 0.9 per cent to 1.1 per cent in November as the weaker pound pushes up the price of imports.

Tomorrow will reveal whether the unemployment rate has stayed at an 11-year low of 4.8 per cent in the three months to October. On Thursday official figures will show whether retail sales rose in November, during the crucial Black Friday period, while the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy Committee will announce whether it has decided to keep its base rate at a record low of 0.25 per cent.

Both the Bank and the government use the Manpower employment survey as an indicator of how the economy is performing.

The report said the utility sector was the most buoyant about job growth for the next three months. Manpower attributed this to the government’s transition to smart meters. “In the next two years more than 26 million smart meters will need to be fitted . . . Energy companies will need an army of up to 20,000 skilled engineers and wider support staff to meet this challenge,” Mr Cahill said.

Skills shortages in sectors such as construction remained a key challenge for the economy, the survey reported. This has led to bricklayers being able to command nearly £50,000 a year in regions such as the east of England, where housebuilding has been driven by the “Silicon Fen” cluster of science and technology hubs around Cambridge. Manpower said some employers were looking to hire construction workers from the EU before any curbs to freedom of movement come in.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/b...happy-new-year-for-hiring-new-staff-8jj20kfvm

Hope it's still ok to post something vaguely positive re Brexit. Put away those razor blades/sleeping pills.

Time to retrain as Brickie?

I'm pleased you found something in The Times you like, finally.

If there's a skills shortage in construction currently and we can't fill the gap with EU labour while we're still in The EU, then it can easily be filled by bringing in skilled migrant labour, as our economy needs, from non-EU countries such as Turkey or even Commonwealth countries such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. I can't see any objections to filling gaps in our labour force like this as we need it, post Brexit.

 

[BigGully]

Just received my annual tax summary for 2015-16.

Apparently 1% of the tax I paid went towards the UK contribution to the EU budget.

Thank ×××× we are leaving this massive drain on our economy.

Well I am sure there are ways that you could continue giving to it even when we leave, but I shall not be, perhaps you might need to up it a bit more to cover mine and the other 17 odd million that have chosen not to, thank you ......

 

[portslade seagull]

Well I am sure there are ways that you could continue giving to it even when we leave, but I shall not be, perhaps you might need to up it a bit more to cover mine and the other 17 odd million that have chosen not to, thank you ......

I would rather mine went towards helping the elderly and the NHS in my own country rather than go elsewhere. Maybe we could have a vote on it

 

[nicko31]

Just received my annual tax summary for 2015-16.

Apparently 1% of the tax I paid went towards the UK contribution to the EU budget.

Thank ×××× we are leaving this massive drain on our economy.

Listen its 56p a day for everyone, 3 pints of milk not 2 going forward

 

[Soulman]

I would rather mine went towards helping the elderly and the NHS in my own country rather than go elsewhere. Maybe we could have a vote on it

Then push for a second one if the vote does not go the way the minority want.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I'm pleased you found something in The Times you like, finally.

If there's a skills shortage in construction currently and we can't fill the gap with EU labour while we're still in The EU, then it can easily be filled by bringing in skilled migrant labour, as our economy needs, from non-EU countries such as Turkey or even Commonwealth countries such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. I can't see any objections to filling gaps in our labour force like this as we need it, post Brexit.

Thankfully the business section seems fairly autonomous and isn't prone to the horrendous editorial misrepresentations.

Yes, another good argument for Brexit .. instead of discriminating against non-EU nationals (disgraceful) we can now bring in the best-qualified people for the job no matter where they come from .. when needed. Cutting off the tap of cheap EU Labour should also further incentivise government and business to redouble their efforts in training the UK populace . Still 1.6 million unemployed as I recall.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Yes, another good argument for Brexit .. instead of discriminating against non-EU nationals (disgraceful) we can now bring in the best-qualified people for the job no matter where they come from .. when needed.

Exactly. There are millions of educated and highly skilled young men in nearby Turkey, fluent in English and wanting to come here to get on, who can be utilised when and where needed in our economy post-Brexit, who can't be currently.

 

[Two Professors]

I wasn't your whooooshee but your post doesn't seem to make sense. The stats for last year show that the UK had far fewer asylum applications per capita than the EU average - under 25 per cent of the average - and in a list of European countries we were in 22nd place.

WHOOOOOOSH!
Nowhere did I mention asylum seekers.I know the EU is bad,and getting worse,but I am not aware of Great Britain being awash with refugees yet from Italy,France,and Germany.My point was about EU citizens from eastern Europe coming here when the EU-heavens-on-Earth are so much nearer to them,and 'doing so much better'..To use a saying of yours,'do try to keep up'.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Then push for a second one if the vote does not go the way the minority want.

We had a vote in the 70's to join Europe, only you lot did not accept the democratic decision, or does campaigning for the other side only work one way?

 

[Soulman]

We had a vote in the 70's to join Europe, only you lot did not accept the democratic decision, or does campaigning for the other side only work one way?

"You lot". I was not old enough to vote at the time. Forty odd years on and the reasons to join the Common market are wholly different to the policies that were put forward and voted for.
A referendum over 40 years later gave the chance for those that were happy being in the EU, and those that were unhappy, to vote.

 

[studio150]

Those in employment down as caution in hiring post Brexit vote begins to bit and numbers in work to fall further across 2017.