Stop Funding Hate - Pathetic!

[Neville's Breakfast]

I was (still am) a remainer, and I wouldn't want Farage anywhere near negotiations, liaising with Trump on our behalf or anything else. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. I don't know any remainers who would want him so involved.

I'm a Leaver and I also do not want Farage anywhere negotiations with the US. He and Trump have ignored diplomatic protocol and effectively ridden roughshod over our two countries' democratic traditions. Farage does not represent any constituency in this country and is therefore not in any way representative of our country.

 

[Albion my Albion]

in this area of psychlogy, any suggestions from NSC)

Learn to spell psychology first.

 

[highflyer]

Yes, it's funny to see the Farage haters get excited as he wasn't there. Had he been there, imagine the complaints. It was the same with Brexit. Just before the vote, no remainers wanted Farage anywhere near power. After the referendum, many wanted him to be involved in the negotiations. You're right, double standards.

Not really. It wasn't about him being in Whitehall, but given his regular use of jingoism and Battle of Britain references in his campaigning, you'd have expected him to at least be in the country and perhaps attend a ceremony locally. Looking joyful (and poppyless) in a gold plated lift with a greedy, lying, bigoted sex offending racist is not really the remembrance day look one would expect. The key point though is the fact that this story was covered by the Mirror, Independent etc but ignored by those papers that are normally so keen to pronounce judgement on those that don't show sufficient ostentatious respect.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Not really. It wasn't about him being in Whitehall, but given his regular use of jingoism and Battle of Britain references in his campaigning, you'd have expected him to at least be in the country and perhaps attend a ceremony locally. Looking joyful (and poppyless) in a gold plated lift with a greedy, lying, bigoted sex offending racist is not really the remembrance day look one would expect. The key point though is the fact that this story was covered by the Mirror, Independent etc but ignored by those papers that are normally so keen to pronounce judgement on those that don't show sufficient ostentatious respect.

Well I agree about the double standards of the papers. However I don't agree with the vilification of Corbyn for 'dancing' nor can I get angry about Farage and whether he was , 'doing the right thing' or not. This country is going the way of 1984 whereby every little action translates into shock or disgust by people who don't like that person's politics. I think both left and right and for that matter, the centre, are guilty in this and it's very harmful to our democracy.

 

[supaseagull]

Just been reading up on this utterly pathetic campaign.
Another bunch of idiotic politically correct morons labelling anything and everything they don't like or disagree with as "HATE" in some crusade against the free speech (and sometimes factually reporting) press!
These are the vocal minority who like to spout off about democracy and freedoms unless of course you dare to have the audacity to disagree with their right on beliefs.
Yet even now..especially this week they still cannot see the damage they do to their argument by thinking that labelling anything they dislike as 'hate' and labelling people who disagree with them as 'racists, bigots, blah blah blah'
These sort of people turned Hitlers election into labelling war...deciding anyone voting is racist and that they should in some way be morally ashamed......well look what happened there!!
Anyone who thought Hitler should win the German election was labelled "Deplorable" and god knows what else....and look what happened there!
Couldn't really give a toss about the German election...I disliked both of them equally....however became sick to the back teeth of on a daily basis listening to some luvvie actor/actress/musician spouting off and taking the piss out of Hitler because they think it's right on and makes them a 'great guy'!!
Supposedly fighting against 'hate'...or opinions that differ from theirs as we would call it!
However their 'hate' towards any paper they don't like is apparently....ok?

I've amended that for you - you can thank me later


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[highflyer]

Well I agree about the double standards of the papers. However I don't agree with the vilification of Corbyn for 'dancing' nor can I get angry about Farage and whether he was , 'doing the right thing' or not. This country is going the way of 1984 whereby every little action translates into shock or disgust by people who don't like that person's politics. I think both left and right and for that matter, the centre, are guilty in this and it's very harmful to our democracy.

I agree. This thread is about challenging the actions of certain papers. Thus my point about ignoring Farage whilst actively lying about Corbyn. These papers follow an editorial line dictated by their owners and are dragging the standard of 'journalism' in this country into the gutter. They can do this because their influence over politicians is such that they no longer fear repercussions. It is no longer about 'reflecting their readers' or expressing a different opinion. It is far more damaging and dangerous. In my opinion. The Stop Funding Hate campaign will have little influence I am sure, but those involved in campaigning (eg for things like stopping the arms trade with saudi arabia) are used to being ignored. UK citizens are a fairly passive bunch at the moment.

 

[Hastings gull]

I agree. This thread is about challenging the actions of certain papers. Thus my point about ignoring Farage whilst actively lying about Corbyn. These papers follow an editorial line dictated by their owners and are dragging the standard of 'journalism' in this country into the gutter. They can do this because their influence over politicians is such that they no longer fear repercussions. It is no longer about 'reflecting their readers' or expressing a different opinion. It is far more damaging and dangerous. In my opinion. The Stop Funding Hate campaign will have little influence I am sure, but those involved in campaigning (eg for things like stopping the arms trade with saudi arabia) are used to being ignored. UK citizens are a fairly passive bunch at the moment.

I think you will find that all people read the paper of their choice, precisely because it DOES reflect their preferences. Yes, this group will be largely ignored - have you thought why? Might it just be that this is yet another loud, small and unrepresentative very left-wing protest group, finding another way to get at what they don't like. How many of these campaigns have there been over the years - apartheid, Greek Colonels, Franco, Vietnam, Regan, Thatcher, Stop the War, camping outside St Pauls, etc etc. Before you have a heart attack, I am not defending regimes that clearly needed protesting against, but the protests are only ever from one side. Soviet excesses in the eastern Block? Soviet imprisonment of dissidents in Psychiatric Hospitals? East German shootings of would-be escapers? etc Were there campaigns to combat these excesses? of course not; that wouldn't fit the dogma. Not surprisingly, the likely effect on most folk is yawn, not another one, and get off to work.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I agree. This thread is about challenging the actions of certain papers. Thus my point about ignoring Farage whilst actively lying about Corbyn. These papers follow an editorial line dictated by their owners and are dragging the standard of 'journalism' in this country into the gutter. They can do this because their influence over politicians is such that they no longer fear repercussions. It is no longer about 'reflecting their readers' or expressing a different opinion. It is far more damaging and dangerous. In my opinion. The Stop Funding Hate campaign will have little influence I am sure, but those involved in campaigning (eg for things like stopping the arms trade with saudi arabia) are used to being ignored. UK citizens are a fairly passive bunch at the moment.

You reminded me of a couple of my favourite quotes:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

“The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”
― Plato

The Edmund Burke one has also been attributed to olther people, such as Martin Luther King and Thomas Jefferson.

 

[spring hall convert]

I think you will find that all people read the paper of their choice, precisely because it DOES reflect their preferences.

I think you'll find a lot of people might have a paper of choice but read a variety of papers. There's not a paper/ media source in this country that anyone should consume 100% of the time.

Or at least back in the days when anyone under the age of 40 actually bought a paper.

Also, whataboutery isn't actually a valid argument. It's deflection.

 

[The Clamp]

Let's face it Farage is only going to make himself look even more ridiculous by cosying up with Trump. Farage supporters can find no wrong in anything Farage does. Whatever he does "leavers" make an excuse for. Personally I couldn't care less if he doesn't wear a poppy ( I don't think he's fit to) or doesn't attend a remembrance service but given his patriotic wartime rhetoric and "friend to the Everyman" stance he has made himself , again, look like a hollow figure and an utter clown.

 

[BadFish]

Well I agree about the double standards of the papers. However I don't agree with the vilification of Corbyn for 'dancing' nor can I get angry about Farage and whether he was , 'doing the right thing' or not. This country is going the way of 1984 whereby every little action translates into shock or disgust by people who don't like that person's politics. I think both left and right and for that matter, the centre, are guilty in this and it's very harmful to our democracy.

Good post, people on all sides using different strategies to shut down debate while simultaneously accusing the others of doing the same.

The powers that be are rubbing their hands as we are divided and distracted by this bullshit.

 

[Hastings gull]

]I think you'll find a lot of people might have a paper of choice but read a variety of papers[/B]. There's not a paper/ media source in this country that anyone should consume 100% of the time.

Or at least back in the days when anyone under the age of 40 actually bought a paper.

Also, whataboutery isn't actually a valid argument. It's deflection.

That's possible of course, but in reality when you are at a garage or in Boots, how often do you see folk buy two papers? Yes, your second sentence is a valid point, and I was not suggesting otherwise, but think that the reality is rather different.
Last line -haven't a clue what you are referring to?

 

[highflyer]

Good post, people on all sides using different strategies to shut down debate while simultaneously accusing the others of doing the same.

The powers that be are rubbing their hands as we are divided and distracted by this bullshit.

Shutting down debate? Whatever you think of the merits of the arguments on either side, and the media through which they are being pursued, I haven't seen such a level of engagement in political debate in this country for a long time.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Farage supporters can find no wrong in anything Farage does.

Hmm. I think you'll find that Farage haters can find no good in what Farage does. So I fail to see why you make the point. Personally, I love the fact that he helped make leave possible. As for the rest, I am sure I feel a mixture of things as some of the time I agree, some of the time I don't, and some of the time I am indifferent. I am sure there are many others like me who are fairly neutral about him. But he has become demonised by the losers of the referendum. Is it okay for people of a certain political persuasion to cry 'but he has stirred hate' if in their cry they are full of hate?

 

[portlock seagull]

Shutting down debate? Whatever you think of the merits of the arguments on either side, and the media through which they are being pursued, I haven't seen such a level of engagement in political debate in this country for a long time.

it's not debate though is it? It's just mudslinging and attacks often of a personal nature. It's about as far removed from engagement in the constructive sense as you can get, each side screaming insults and playing to the lowest denominator in a terrifying race to the bottom it seems. Black or white. Love or hate. For or against. Rage wins everytime as neither side is prepared to listen to the other. Such is the polarisation of opinion today, where rationale debate has all but disappeared, that our very democratic foundation is being tested. In a less developed democracy I'm pretty sure we'd be in a state of civil war by now.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Very good. Spot on about much of the current rubbish circulating ATM. I must admit I don't know who it is. My guess is a DJ in London? He, er, puts the point across quite strongly.

Love the quote ''Instead of persuading people to vote, she just courted celebrity endorsements as if the political acumen of Beyonce and Jayz count for anything'. Lol!

Great rant.

New to me too. Qute liked this one as well.

 

[BadFish]

Shutting down debate? Whatever you think of the merits of the arguments on either side, and the media through which they are being pursued, I haven't seen such a level of engagement in political debate in this country for a long time.

There may be more of it but i am not sure you can describe much of it as debate. That would require people to listen to and take on board opposing opinions.

 

[W.C.]

But he has become demonised by the losers of the referendum. Is it okay for people of a certain political persuasion to cry 'but he has stirred hate' if in their cry they are full of hate?

Disagree. It's not something people have suddenly piped up about since the referendum. I'll hold my hands up, I hate the man. I hate him because I believe he has purposefully and cynically 'stirred hate' as you say to achieve his political aims. I don't 'hate' Daniel Hannan, much as I might disagree with his politics. If Farage had gone about his work like someone like Hannan I would have no reason to hate him. His actions have lead to him being 'demonised', by people from all sides.

 

[Hastings gull]

it's not debate though is it? It's just mudslinging and attacks often of a personal nature. It's about as far removed from engagement in the constructive sense as you can get, each side screaming insults and playing to the lowest denominator in a terrifying race to the bottom it seems. Black or white. Love or hate. For or against. Rage wins everytime as neither side is prepared to listen to the other. Such is the polarisation of opinion today, where rationale debate has all but disappeared, that our very democratic foundation is being tested. In a less developed democracy I'm pretty sure we'd be in a state of civil war by now.

Do you not think that this might be just that tiny bit exaggerated. Perhaps you should not take NSC too seriously. Of course what you describe can happen, and always has done, but to suggest that it is behind every bush these days .. . . . .

 

[portlock seagull]

[/B]

Do you not think that this might be just that tiny bit exaggerated. Perhaps you should not take NSC too seriously. Of course what you describe can happen, and always has done, but to suggest that it is behind every bush these days .. . . . .

I don't think it's at all exaggerated. Society's never been angrier!! Imagine if we lived in a country less stable somewhere in africa after Brexit. It's not much of a stretch to imagine the machetes coming out in such a divided country.