[Politics] Brexit

[JC Footy Genius]

Interesting that you didn't post this link from the same site that completely debunks the idea that Turkey will be joining "in five or ten years" and points out that every country has a veto.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35832035

Thanks for the additional link.

Nigel Farage is right to say Turkey is lined up to join the EU one day. But the European Commission has said no new country will join within the next five years. And despite the EU's need for Ankara's help now and the sweeteners on offer, Turkey's membership of the EU could be at least another decade away.

No guarantees, lots of could's and maybe's, possible membership within a 5 to 10 year period.

 

[Buzzer]

So we've been on the winning side 88 percent of the time? That doesn't sound TOO bad.

It all depends on what we were voting on. We lost the vote on the collateral fund and we even had the rulebook on our side in that argument.

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

Yes Turkey WILL EVENTUALLY join the EU......i agree with you

no doubt about it

Germany is full of them

President Merkel will want to spread them around

 

[Lincoln Imp]

The European continent is in crisis. Many old and proud nation states are teetering on the edge of economic collapse and are threatened with the rise of political extremism from both sides of the spectrum.
Britain is not in a position to prevent their coming troubles -- we can only ensure we are not caught up in the ensuing chaos.
Over the past 6 years, our news screens have been filled with the plight of Greece, but it’s not Greece we should worry about. Greece’s economy is small. Its collapse and the subsequent default on its debt would be painful, but manageable. This is not true for other ticking time bomb economies in the EU.
Conventional wisdom says when a country’s debt reaches 100 percent of the value of its economy, it becomes highly likely it will default on its debt in the future. This is the stage France and Spain are about to reach, with Italy having broken this particular barrier a long time ago.
Their total combined debt is around $7 trillion, or just under 3 times the value of the UK economy. Nearly half the Italian government’s debt is due to be paid in the next 2 years. This is simply not going to happen. At some point in the future at least one of these countries is likely to default on its debts, or require a bailout in order to prevent it.
In all likelihood, it could well be two or even all three of them. This is a debt crisis over ten times larger than Greece’s, and Britain was forced to pay £billions to Greece with little hope of ever seeing those £billions again.
If we vote to Remain in the European Union, Britain will be forced to stump up billions to contribute to these bailouts. This is not money Britain has stored away in the bank. This would mean we would have to borrow from global financial markets, burdening our children and grandchildren with the legacy of French and Italian financial mismanagement.

Two questions.

Where did you lift this from?

Are you going to reply to the question about that similarly unattributed piece that equated the EU with the Third Reich and said that Goering invented the name European Economic Community?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I agree with every single word of this post, apart from the sixth.

Stop press - a leaflet from Leave just came through my door, saying that Turkey and its 72m people are now 'set' to join the EU. There's a map presumably designed to illustrate how they will be joined by Syrian refugees and terrorists.

Still wearing these ...

... then.

That must be why the EU are giving Turkey €4.5 Billion (some of it our money) to set them on the final path for EU entry.

At least the taxpayer didn't fund that leaflet

 

[Soulman]

Two questions.

Where did you lift this from?

Are you going to reply to the question about that similarly unattributed piece that equated the EU with the Third Reich and said that Goering invented the name European Economic Community?

Ok, first piece is "lifted" (although when you put up your pasted bits i suppose they are not lifted) from the Commentator ( now get your puns and disapproval's in) and the other piece you keep banging on about happens to be close to how i see things, the comparisons, you may not agree, tbh i do not care, this is a message board where we CAN view our opinions.
Next time before you get on your high horse about a post i made last night, and your expected immediate response...... be aware that some of us are at work in the day and neither have the time or signal to reply to your impatient whims.
Time for tea me thinks.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Couldn't believe what I just heard on the radio, the caller was convinced that if we Leave the EU we could lose our rights to holiday pay. Is this how Remain are stacking up their votes, FFS get real.

I would also like to make the point, people on zero hour contracts get no holiday pay at all.

 

[Soulman]

The Green Party's Jenny Jones on why we must vote Leave. "The most profound weakness of the EU, from the Green point of view, is that it is a super-sized top-down dogmatic project of endless industrial development and growth. It fosters the pointless carting of goods enormous distances, and it smashes local resilience and self-reliance."

This text has been lifted from the Guardian, for any posters that need to know every source.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eform-green-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

 

[ROKERITE]

I simply do not understand why anyone would want to leave the EU.
The facts seem clear. My only doubt would be if in the future we would be forced to join the Euro. However, in that case we would probably have another referendum as the principle foundation of this one would have change.
I speak as someone who works on a daily basis with immigrants in a city which would not function without them.
The poll at 55/45 to stay seems to me to be a good bet on the final result.

@ Soulman, for goodness sake why do you think we will be asked to bail out and possible future financial problems?
We are not in the Euro. When you look at NF can you seriously believe in his competence and credibility? So many intelligent posters who seem to have jumped on the panic wagon and believe any of rubbish be it true or not.

I simply don't understand why anyone who gives it any thought could possibly want to remain in The E.U..

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Two questions.

Where did you lift this from?

Are you going to reply to the question about that similarly unattributed piece that equated the EU with the Third Reich and said that Goering invented the name European Economic Community?

He seems inordinately fond of this font of littel wisdom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News_Network

 

[Caveman]

I simply do not understand why anyone would want to leave the EU.
The facts seem clear. My only doubt would be if in the future we would be forced to join the Euro. However, in that case we would probably have another referendum as the principle foundation of this one would have change.
I speak as someone who works on a daily basis with immigrants in a city which would not function without them.
The poll at 55/45 to stay seems to me to be a good bet on the final result.

@ Soulman, for goodness sake why do you think we will be asked to bail out and possible future financial problems?
We are not in the Euro. When you look at NF can you seriously believe in his competence and credibility? So many intelligent posters who seem to have jumped on the panic wagon and believe any of rubbish be it true or not.

It saddens me that NF is running the out debate, because someone with a bit more credibility would see it over the line, my concern is he is disliked by many, when what he is aiming for is actually right.

Bring back more control to our country, we won't get that under the EU and anyone who thinks we will are crazy.

 

[lawros left foot]

Couldn't believe what I just heard on the radio, the caller was convinced that if we Leave the EU we could lose our rights to holiday pay. Is this how Remain are stacking up their votes, FFS get real.

I would also like to make the point, people on zero hour contracts get no holiday pay at all.

Thats,nothing, according to a woman on the radio on Tuesday, if we stay in the EU, Christmas and Easter will be banned, oh, and the NHS shut down.




The scary thing is, shes got a vote

 

[Steve in Japan]

European Court of Justice
Link to an interesting article about how successive UK Governments have ceded judicial supremacy to the ECJ - including Blair (who told Parliament in 2007 that we had an opt-out - we don't now) and Cameron (who could have raised it in his "negotiations" with the EU but did not). The article talks about how the ECJ and Parliament are on a collision course and (happily) what our own top judges are doing about it.

I don't understand why this isn't getting more airtime in the debates as it is central to the Sovereignty question, I would suggest. One things for sure - if Cameron isn't talking about it there is a very good reason for that.

I doubt reading this will change anybody mind, but it might make a few realise that the EU takeover plans are alive and well, and will not be easily stopped.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ges-fight-back-against-europes-imperial-cour/

 

[Caveman]

Thats,nothing, according to a woman on the radio on Tuesday, if we stay in the EU, Christmas and Easter will be banned, oh, and the NHS shut down.




The scary thing is, shes got a vote

Funny thing is they probably know as much as Cameron and Nigel put together.

 

[Soulman]

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@ Soulman, for goodness sake why do you think we will be asked to bail out and possible future financial problems?
We are not in the Euro. When you look at NF can you seriously believe in his competence and credibility? So many intelligent posters who seem to have jumped on the panic wagon and believe any of rubbish be it true or not.

We have already been approached before for top ups, remember Cameron saying we would not pay the extra billions demanded.....then paid them.
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org...igher_eu_budget_and_an_extra_2_4_billion_bill

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Everyone still throwing bullshit! at each other?


Yep thought so

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[JC Footy Genius]

The European Central Bank's loose monetary policy risks destroying the European project, Deutsche Bank has warned.

In a blistering attack, Deutsche suggested the ECB had "los[t] the plot" and that its "desperate" actions raised the risk of a potentially "catastrophic" mistake by the central bank.

David Folkerts-Landau, Deutsche's chief economist, said negative interest rates and quantitative easing had hurt savers and allowed politicians to delay badly-needed structural reforms.

"ECB policy is threatening the European project as a whole for the sake of short-term financial stability," he said in a note titled "The ECB must change course".

It said: "The longer policy prevents the necessary catharsis, the more it contributes to the growth of populist or extremist politics.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...destroying-european-project-with-negative-ra/

One for all those who follow 'expert' economists opinions with a passion. were loose

 

[Soulman]

Everyone still throwing bullshit! at each other?


Yep thought so

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Well, you have stated similar many times, they are all liers, you are off to Glastonbury and will not vote, you hate these threads but can not manage to steer clear of them.
Enjoy Glastonbury and do not forget your wellies.

 

[Caveman]

European Court of Justice
Link to an interesting article about how successive UK Governments have ceded judicial supremacy to the ECJ - including Blair (who told Parliament in 2007 that we had an opt-out - we don't now) and Cameron (who could have raised it in his "negotiations" with the EU but did not). The article talks about how the ECJ and Parliament are on a collision course and (happily) what our own top judges are doing about it.

I don't understand why this isn't getting more airtime in the debates as it is central to the Sovereignty question, I would suggest. One things for sure - if Cameron isn't talking about it there is a very good reason for that.

I doubt reading this will change anybody mind, but it might make a few realise that the EU takeover plans are alive and well, and will not be easily stopped.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ges-fight-back-against-europes-imperial-cour/

Thanks for posting. An interesting read.

 

[lawros left foot]

Funny thing is they probably know as much as Cameron and Nigel put together.

Some blonde posh bloke on the telly said, if we stay in, I've got to have fifteen Turkish rapists living in my sock drawer, so, I'm voting LEAVE now!