UK net migration hits record high

[BigGully]

No, I genuinely don't know why you've said I've been hypocritical? I didn't actually state any opinion, or offer any solution, I just asked you a question.

Look all I need to know is ....... ARE WE ON THE SAME SIDE HERE

 

[Withdean11]

I'd be a bit more open to letting in genuine refugees if immigration was not already out of control. As it stands, we are full, so can not afford to take anymore. We simply do not have the houses, schools, hospitals, jobs to take 300,000 more migrants.

 

[Buzzer]

I've no idea about the rights and wrongs of this crisis, it's heartbreaking for sure but we can't offer just platitudes, we have to consider practicalities - if the UK takes these refugees then they have to go somewhere and quite simply there is nowhere for them to go in the South-East. The social housing shortage is so acute that there is literally nowhere for councils to put these poor people. Not in the South-East anyway. As a bit of perspective I was shocked to see that Rochdale and Bolton have more asylum-seekers than the WHOLE of the South-East and since December 2012, numbers in the north west have increased by more than 50pc - while falling by a fifth in London.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...s/rochdale-bolton-more-asylum-seekers-9979406

Now, it seems to me that those calling for the UK to take their fair share also have to take their own fair share in their own towns and cities, we can't keep piling them into the north-west like we have been doing - but there's nowhere to put them so the answer has to be for people to put their money where their mouth is and take them into their own homes. Maybe the UK government could start a register and work from there.

And if we do that and people are prepared to look after refugees then it begs the question of why people aren't prepared to do the same for the current homeless in the UK. The more I think about it, the more appealing the idea of a register is. Instead of signing pointless petitions, get people to sign up to look after all these people - UK homeless, Syrian refugees, Eritrean asylum seekers, the whole lot.

We could use this tragic situation to create a real change in the UK although the cynic in me thinks that the take up will be a lot lower when responsibility and action turns from 'the government must do something' to 'I must do something'. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[cunning fergus]

I've no idea about the rights and wrongs of this crisis, it's heartbreaking for sure but we can't offer just platitudes, we have to consider practicalities - if the UK takes these refugees then they have to go somewhere and quite simply there is nowhere for them to go in the South-East. The social housing shortage is so acute that there is literally nowhere for councils to put these poor people. Not in the South-East anyway. As a bit of perspective I was shocked to see that Rochdale and Bolton have more asylum-seekers than the WHOLE of the South-East and since December 2012, numbers in the north west have increased by more than 50pc - while falling by a fifth in London.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...s/rochdale-bolton-more-asylum-seekers-9979406

Now, it seems to me that those calling for the UK to take their fair share also have to take their own fair share in their own towns and cities, we can't keep piling them into the north-west like we have been doing - but there's nowhere to put them so the answer has to be for people to put their money where their mouth is and take them into their own homes. Maybe the UK government could start a register and work from there.

And if we do that and people are prepared to look after refugees then it begs the question of why people aren't prepared to do the same for the current homeless in the UK. The more I think about it, the more appealing the idea of a register is. Instead of signing pointless petitions, get people to sign up to look after all these people - UK homeless, Syrian refugees, Eritrean asylum seekers, the whole lot.

We could use this tragic situation to create a real change in the UK although the cynic in me thinks that the take up will be a lot lower when responsibility and action turns from 'the government must do something' to 'I must do something'. I hope I'm wrong.

It would be interesting to see, I trust they would also fund them, feed them, charge their mobile phones etc.

I can only imagine how willing local families in places like Rochdale, Rotherham, Blackpool, Derby, Oxford would be to invite a few of these hundreds of thousands of predominantly desperate young men into their homes.

After all what could go wrong?

 

[Captain Sensible]

I'm not a Cameron fan but I think he's responded in the right way. The UK will only take in Refugees from the camps and therefore cut out the dangerous travel to Europe and gangs operating to smuggle. Also then we can distinguish between a refugee and an economic migrant.

 

[BigGully]

I'm not a Cameron fan but I think he's responded in the right way. The UK will only take in Refugees from the camps and therefore cut out the dangerous travel to Europe and gangs operating to smuggle. Also then we can distinguish between a refugee and an economic migrant.

It also is likely to target those in genuine need.

Although many seem to struggle with the assumption that those travelling through multiple borders are likely to be economic migrants, for me those most vulnerable are not those chanting and goading Hungarian Police but those that have no means or inclination to consider financial betterment whilst perhaps feeling fortunate that they have to this point survived.

 

[Captain Sensible]

It also is likely to target those in genuine need.

Although many seem to struggle with the assumption that those travelling through multiple borders are likely to be economic migrants, for me those most vulnerable are not those chanting and goading Hungarian Police but those that have no means or inclination to consider financial betterment whilst perhaps feeling fortunate that they have to this point survived.

There are camps in Hungary for those you speak of. Hopefully they will be rescued and be quite happy to be relocated anywhere in Europe. However, the thousands of others (mostly young men in Nike trainers and reebok tops) that are like you say goading the police, will most likely not give up on the goal of moving into Europe for economic reasons. Those are the ones we need to turn away unless they go to the calms to be processed.
No one can even talk of quota numbers until the illegal flood into Europe is stopped. Until true numbers are realised. In that way what the Hungarians are doing is harsh but correct, what Csmeron proposes is correct and we should not do the wrong thing for the right reasons, by opening the gates and encouraging more dangerous illegal movement.

 

[heathgate]

so you are quite happy to let in the illegal immigrants then
I will be quite happy to let in those who can come in legally, but whose there to check this happens.

No I'm not....I was attempting to illustrate the hypocrisy that often exists on here....one minute captivating the authorities for not doing enough at the borders, the next calling them out for taking a hardline approach...

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I'm not a Cameron fan but I think he's responded in the right way. The UK will only take in Refugees from the camps and therefore cut out the dangerous travel to Europe and gangs operating to smuggle. Also then we can distinguish between a refugee and an economic migrant.

I also think this is the correct way of dealing with the situation.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There are camps in Hungary for those you speak of. Hopefully they will be rescued and be quite happy to be relocated anywhere in Europe. However, the thousands of others (mostly young men in Nike trainers and reebok tops) that are like you say goading the police, will most likely not give up on the goal of moving into Europe for economic reasons. Those are the ones we need to turn away unless they go to the calms to be processed.
No one can even talk of quota numbers until the illegal flood into Europe is stopped. Until true numbers are realised. In that way what the Hungarians are doing is harsh but correct, what Csmeron proposes is correct and we should not do the wrong thing for the right reasons, by opening the gates and encouraging more dangerous illegal movement.

Those people trapped in Hungary want to go to Germany. Hungary is wanting to put them into camps.

 

[Captain Sensible]

No I'm not....I was attempting to illustrate the hypocrisy that often exists on here....one minute captivating the authorities for not doing enough at the borders, the next calling them out for taking a hardline approach...

Not just on here, but everywhere. I pointed out that fact earlier, you only have to look at this thread title. Point is that yes our borders need tightening especially to illegal non EU migrants and also correct measured Asylum granted, but not to those illegally crossing into Europe but those too poor and to weak to escape further than Turkey.

 

[Sweeney Todd]

Communism the world over is the answer. That way, nobody in the world has anything, there is uniform poverty, thus eliminating the inequalities which force people to flee from poor parts of the world to the rich.

Just a thought…

 

[gregbrighton]

Let these people in. They need help fleeing from war and conflict.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

There are camps in Hungary for those you speak of. Hopefully they will be rescued and be quite happy to be relocated anywhere in Europe. However, the thousands of others (mostly young men in Nike trainers and reebok tops) that are like you say goading the police, will most likely not give up on the goal of moving into Europe for economic reasons. Those are the ones we need to turn away unless they go to the calms to be processed.
No one can even talk of quota numbers until the illegal flood into Europe is stopped. Until true numbers are realised. In that way what the Hungarians are doing is harsh but correct, what Csmeron proposes is correct and we should not do the wrong thing for the right reasons, by opening the gates and encouraging more dangerous illegal movement.

Listening on the radio, the only reason there is so much desperation to get out of Hungary is because only 9% of Asylum applications are successful, whilst it's 40% in Germany. I think Hungary are following the rules set out, you claim Asylum in the first country.

Since these people arrived in Hungary thinking they would walk through on to the next country, the Hungarian authorities have now made it their problem to sort things out. In some respects that is good, if they can identify families in genuine need here.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Those people trapped in Hungary want to go to Germany. Hungary is wanting to put them into camps.

Yes and from those camps, European countries can then grant asylum from those camps. This is the point, granting asylum from the camps rather than from thousands illegally crossing borders into and around distinguishes those in need from those travelling for other economic reasons. If they are already in Europe then go to the Camps in Europe to claim asylum and be processed. Those that don't want to be processed to claim asylum in Europe as they want to cherry pick their host country, are they refugees or economic migrants?

If the UK and others start to process people for asylum from the refugee camps it stops the flood into Europe, and with it the death and danger of the illegal crossings.

 

[BigGully]

Let these people in. They need help fleeing from war and conflict.

I will ask you again, how many ?

There are 9 million Syrians that have fled their country and millions others with a story to tell why they would like to live in Europe, not all necessarily fleeing impending death.

How would you differentiate between each person, it would be unfair to just mop up those with the wealth and the means to get to Europe even with all its associated personal tragedy.

You seem as with many, to have no comprehension of consequence for any recipient country.

 

[gregbrighton]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes and from those camps, European countries can then grant asylum from those camps. This is the point, granting asylum from the camps rather than from thousands illegally crossing borders into and around distinguishes those in need from those travelling for other economic reasons. If they are already in Europe then go to the Camps in Europe to claim asylum and be processed. Those that don't want to be processed to claim asylum in Europe as they want to cherry pick their host country, are they refugees or economic migrants?

If the UK and others start to process people for asylum from the refugee camps it stops the flood into Europe, and with it the death and danger of the illegal crossings.

Some of those people already had train tickets paid for, but were refused permission to get on the train. One train set off and has been halted. There is a lot more to this than just sticking people in a camp and processing them.

 

[Buzzer]

Rather than holding up a sign, here's a video of a bunch of Conservative politicians working at a Syrian refugee centre in Turkey only a few weeks back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzvrHP3BnLc

Now I know that a lot of people have the Tories down as uncaring *******s when it comes to this crisis but who personally is doing more to help the refugees here - the ones with the cards or the ones at the camp?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Rather than holding up a sign, here's a video of a bunch of Conservative politicians working at a Syrian refugee centre in Turkey only a few weeks back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzvrHP3BnLc

Now I know that a lot of people have the Tories down as uncaring *******s when it comes to this crisis but who personally is doing more to help the refugees here - the ones with the cards or the ones at the camp?

This to me is a much better solution.