Well Done UKIP.

[Soulman]

It would be interesting to see how many hard working tax net contributors there are from Poland for every one of these leech opportunists. I am struggling to believe your anecdotal example is representative at all.

"I am struggling to believe your anecdotal example is representative at all".
Really, well having worked on many sites, where this is quite common practice, i can speak from experience.
Obviously there are many that work legally, but a lot just work for a year, and get the benefits mentioned.
Youv'e probably worked with lots have you?

 

[Buzzer]

A propos of nothing, Martin Hadfield a 20 year old unemployed bloke from Manchester killed himself recently because he couldn't get a job. The poor bloke was so proud that he didn't claim benefits. He went for 40 jobs in 12 weeks - every single time the same story. Someone less experienced, someone offering to work for less.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tragic-youngster-killed-himself-because-3576403

Of course, this is one isolated case and I've no doubt that there are a lot of hard-working immigrants and a lot of bone idle Brits but it's simply not fair to tar everyone who is being priced out of the job market by people willing to work for a pittance as thick or lazy.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

it's well know that Polish students came over for the summer went to the local job agency's in Brighton then turned up en masse in Newhaven CREAMED OFF WHAT THEY WANTED AND WENT BACK HOME , LOVELY JUBBLY jobs a gooden, KNEW SOME FROM THE CZECH REPUBLIC THAT EARNED ENOUGH TO BUY THEMSELVES A PROPERTY BACK HOME never had it so good they reckoned ,, THING WAS OVERTIME WAS CUT FOR FULL TIME STAFF AND THIS LOT CAME IN AND TOOK IT ALL ON THE CHEAP
regards
DR

 

[Soulman]

A propos of nothing, Martin Hadfield a 20 year old unemployed bloke from Manchester killed himself recently because he couldn't get a job. The poor bloke was so proud that he didn't claim benefits. He went for 40 jobs in 12 weeks - every single time the same story. Someone less experienced, someone offering to work for less.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tragic-youngster-killed-himself-because-3576403

Of course, this is one isolated case and I've no doubt that there are a lot of hard-working immigrants and a lot of bone idle Brits but it's simply not fair to tar everyone who is being priced out of the job market by people willing to work for a pittance as thick or lazy.

Exactly. My youngest is working in the kitchens of an old peoples home washing up, for minimum wage. He will do this until he can find another job.
Plenty of our youngsters are prepared to do what others class as menial work, not just immigrants.

 

[Soulman]

it's well know that Polish students came over for the summer went to the local job agency's in Brighton then turned up en masse in Newhaven CREAMED OFF WHAT THEY WANTED AND WENT BACK HOME , LOVELY JUBBLY jobs a gooden, KNEW SOME FROM THE CZECH REPUBLIC THAT EARNED ENOUGH TO BUY THEMSELVES A PROPERTY BACK HOME never had it so good they reckoned ,, THING WAS OVERTIME WAS CUT FOR FULL TIME STAFF AND THIS LOT CAME IN AND TOOK IT ALL ON THE CHEAP
regards
DR

I am not sure whether the laws have changed but, the Polish lads not only got all their tax back but i believe if they did 13 months they were allowed to go back home and sign on receiving our social for a period of 3 months.
Our benefits were very good compared with what they could earn at home. Of course after the 3 months they could come back over and the cycle could continue.
So no benefit to our system in the way of their contribution to the national pot.
As i stated, they were nice blokes actually, but surely something is wrong.

 

[Simster]

How many sites have you worked on to be in a position to question his anecdotal evidence ?

That's a joke, surely? I'm not questioning his anecdotal evidence. I'm openly wondering what the official figures suggest is happening.

"I am struggling to believe your anecdotal example is representative at all".
Really, well having worked on many sites, where this is quite common practice, i can speak from experience.
Obviously there are many that work legally, but a lot just work for a year, and get the benefits mentioned.
Youv'e probably worked with lots have you?

Oddly enough I haven't worked on many sites. But I have difficulty believing that Polish workers by and large are over here specifically to milk the system. I'm sure some do, and I'll believe it is more common amongst casual site labourers, but overall I doubt it somehow. If it was more common, there would be esteemed economists all over it, and they're simply not.

 

[Soulman]

That's a joke, surely? I'm not questioning his anecdotal evidence. I'm openly wondering what the official figures suggest is happening.

Oddly enough I haven't worked on many sites. But I have difficulty believing that Polish workers by and large are over here specifically to milk the system. I'm sure some do, and I'll believe it is more common amongst casual site labourers, but overall I doubt it somehow. If it was more common, there would be esteemed economists all over it, and they're simply not.

Some info (recent) Simster.
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/1.38

http://www.taxrefundpro.co.uk/tax-rebates/leaving-uk-tax-rebate

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...m-wage-make-small-contribution-Exchequer.html

 

[Leighgull]

it's well know that Polish students came over for the summer went to the local job agency's in Brighton then turned up en masse in Newhaven CREAMED OFF WHAT THEY WANTED AND WENT BACK HOME , LOVELY JUBBLY jobs a gooden, KNEW SOME FROM THE CZECH REPUBLIC THAT EARNED ENOUGH TO BUY THEMSELVES A PROPERTY BACK HOME never had it so good they reckoned ,, THING WAS OVERTIME WAS CUT FOR FULL TIME STAFF AND THIS LOT CAME IN AND TOOK IT ALL ON THE CHEAP
regards
DR

Yeah. You know what...I did exactly the same thing in France a few years ago when I was a student. Went round the farms doing menial jobs that the locals didn't fancy...bought a car with the proceeds and drove it all over Europe working as I went. Sold the wheels when I got back to France. Lovely.

If people are prepared to get off their arses and come to the UK and sign up for minimum wage jobs (which are very well paid compared to what they can earn at home...) well they'd be ****ing mad NOT to do it.

It was a stupid idea allowing very poor countries equal access to labour markets in rich countries...it doesn't take a genius to work out what will follow.

Hey presto...the Far right returns.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I am not sure whether the laws have changed but, the Polish lads not only got all their tax back but i believe if they did 13 months they were allowed to go back home and sign on receiving our social for a period of 3 months.
Our benefits were very good compared with what they could earn at home. Of course after the 3 months they could come back over and the cycle could continue.
So no benefit to our system in the way of their contribution to the national pot.
As i stated, they were nice blokes actually, but surely something is wrong.

they seemed ok but were protective of what they had amongst themselves, as you say no real contribution back into the country JUST A TAKE IT WHILE YOU CAN SITUATION AND COMPANY'S LIKED TO MILK IT FOR WHAT IT WAS WORTH TO THEM even if it upset the staff
regards
DR

 

[Hamilton]

Well thought out counter argument, ie, you can't muster one, which is why you resorted to the 'loser' tag, I'd be interested in how you know anything about my circumstances?

And why would I enter into debate with a poster who has a track record of confronting others posters with the phrase....'cock'?

No, there are other more intelligent posters on here worth debating things with. You're not even if bright enough to consider your own tracks before posting.

 

[Soulman]

Yeah. You know what...I did exactly the same thing in France a few years ago when I was a student. Went round the farms doing menial jobs that the locals didn't fancy...bought a car with the proceeds and drove it all over Europe working as I went. Sold the wheels when I got back to France. Lovely.

If people are prepared to get off their arses and come to the UK and sign up for minimum wage jobs (which are very well paid compared to what they can earn at home...) well they'd be ****ing mad NOT to do it.

It was a stupid idea allowing very poor countries equal access to labour markets in rich countries...it doesn't take a genius to work out what will follow.

Hey presto...the Far right returns.

I would imagine you were working cash in hand, so no tax back, no Child Benefit sent home, no unemployment benefits for 3 months sent home after you'd finished.....so nothing out of the French social system.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yeah. You know what...I did exactly the same thing in France a few years ago when I was a student. Went round the farms doing menial jobs that the locals didn't fancy...bought a car with the proceeds and drove it all over Europe working as I went. Sold the wheels when I got back to France. Lovely.

If people are prepared to get off their arses and come to the UK and sign up for minimum wage jobs (which are very well paid compared to what they can earn at home...) well they'd be ****ing mad NOT to do it.

It was a stupid idea allowing very poor countries equal access to labour markets in rich countries...it doesn't take a genius to work out what will follow.

Hey presto...the Far right returns.

it was all through agency, they were charging the company £12 an hour per person for their labour plus the company were paying them say £6 WHO WAS FLEECING WHO ffs
regards
DR

 

[Hamilton]

You write as if the Pro camp have the moral advantage here but if El Pres and others' contributions on here are anything to go by then it's a mixture of ripping the piss out of UKIP voters (yeah - that tactic worked last week didn't it?), smearing them with all sorts of innuendo and my goodness a lot of the Pro camp do love a good sneer. That's hardly covering yourselves with glory.

And then there's the tales of economic meltdown if we chose to go our own way. As someone else pointed out, we've been there before haven't we with the Euro. Remember all the scare stories? A two-tier Europe? Britain left all by itself? Didn't the FTSE 100s also support that? And as I've asked several times on here but not had any answer - are we really taking advice on Europe from the likes of Tesco's and Barclays Bank? Have they suddenly become altruistic or is this a case of them looking after their own interests?

And why is it that those who so often rail against a Government at home that always puts money over social/cultural and basic freedoms have absolutely no qualms arguing that none of that matters in Europe as long as the big companies have less VAT paperwork to do?

I'm not a UKIP supporter, I hope I've made that very clear in the past but this constant mix of doom-mongering and frankly pathetic name-calling does the Pro-camp no favours at all because aside from your chums on the Guardian comments page and on Twitter, I don't think anyone else is taking a blind bit of notice.

I agree with you. And I've posted many times on here to make the case that the concerns people have stem from many things: dissatisfaction with housing; with employment opportunities; fairness when it comes to bailing out the banks versus our ability to pay for local services, for education and for health.

What I am saying is that UKIP are jumping on the symptoms of problems and pointing the blame at a convenient enemy - immigration and the EU.

I believe that many of the things that are angering people need to be addressed through a much wider political debate than just the EU and immigration. And many of the answers to these problems sit with our own government, not the European Parliament.

I do think the EU needs modernising. It undoubtedly needs to become more efficient. But I also believe it provides economic advantage for us and to leave would be a massive mistake.

However, UKIP see the easy way to power by pointing at one single issue and laying the blame there. All very easy and simple. It's single issue politics and our problems are not all about single issue politics. Follow UKIP and we'll all go deeper into the mire - not out of it.

So, I agree with you.

 

[Soulman]

It would be interesting to see how many hard working tax net contributors there are from Poland for every one of these leech opportunists. I am struggling to believe your anecdotal example is representative at all.

Further to my posts re the benefits, which you seemed to doubt.
This from 5 HOURS ago.
Child benefit worth £30million paid by Britain to families across the EU but Cameron admits it is 'impossible' to stop it

UK taxpayer funds payments to 20,400 families with 34,268 children
Almost two-thirds sent to Poland, followed by Ireland, Lithuania and Latvia
David Cameron says no-one he has met thinks the benefits are 'sensible'
But Prime Minister warns that under existing EU rules it cannot be blocked
Tory MP Andrew Rosindell says claims should be blocked for five years

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ies-EU-Cameron-admits-impossible-stop-it.html

So maybe the other claims i mentioned (having worked and spoken to many) will not have you "struggling to believe your anecdotal example"

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

THE GIVING JUST KEEP ON GIVING
regards
DR

 

[Soulman]

Having worked with a few Eastern Europeans on the sites (i like the Poles best) the ones i knew would work for about a year, go home for a few months.
They would get a full tax rebate.
One of them Wojek, also got Child benefit sent over, at roughly £20 a child, his 3 children would get about £60 a week. Now considering he was not qualified, he was on about the equivalent of £250 per month in Poland at the time. So his CB would cover his wages, his wages here came in handy, and the tax back at the end.
So really he was putting nothing into the pension pot and nothing towards our tax. Nice bloke though.

Child benefit worth £30million paid by Britain to families across the EU but Cameron admits it is 'impossible' to stop it

UK taxpayer funds payments to 20,400 families with 34,268 children
Almost two-thirds sent to Poland, followed by Ireland, Lithuania and Latvia
David Cameron says no-one he has met thinks the benefits are 'sensible'
But Prime Minister warns that under existing EU rules it cannot be blocked
Tory MP Andrew Rosindell says claims should be blocked for five years

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

And why would I enter into debate with a poster who has a track record of confronting others posters with the phrase....'cock'?

No, there are other more intelligent posters on here worth debating things with. You're not even if bright enough to consider your own tracks before posting.

you're not to far up your own arse are you, are you seriously upset by bushy using the word cock,
regards
DR

 

[Hamilton]

you're not to far up your own arse are you, are you seriously upset by bushy using the word cock,
regards
DR

Not at all. You and your sidekick don't upset me. You're both rather predictable and entrenched. Both pretty useless when it comes to offering credible views and opinions that might take us forward.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

It would be interesting to see how many hard working tax net contributors there are from Poland for every one of these leech opportunists. I am struggling to believe your anecdotal example is representative at all.

I'm sure there are plenty of net contributors.

But there are also an awful lot who are, for want of a better phrase, milking the system.

The child benefit one is clearly the worst, and as others have said, surely it shouldn't be paid for ay least the first two years of someone working here.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-party-become-frankensteins-monster?CMP=fb_gu