Could Nigel Farage end up a great British political leader?

[Soulman]

Surely that assumes the accusations are correct ? No innocent until proven guilty for Farage then ?

Let's face it, the smears will come thick and fast from all sides in the run up to the elections.
More worrying is the party that is infested with paedos.
http://labour25.com/

Keep scrolling down.........

 

[Bold Seagull]

Let's face it, the smears will come thick and fast from all sides in the run up to the elections.
More worrying is the party that is infested with paedos.
http://labour25.com/

My god, did you really just post that link!?

 

[Soulman]

My god, did you really just post that link!?

Yep, unless there is a username double.

 

[beorhthelm]

Surely that assumes the accusations are correct ? No innocent until proven guilty for Farage then ?

firstly, this isn't a court. secondly he shouldnt have even left himself open to such an attack. he probably hasnt even broken any law or rules, but presumably he has made some expenses claims, otherwise he'd have had an injunction/libel writ out by now.

 

[cunning fergus]

firstly, this isn't a court. secondly he shouldnt have even left himself open to such an attack. he probably hasnt even broken any law or rules, but presumably he has made some expenses claims, otherwise he'd have had an injunction/libel writ out by now.

Isn't the underlying issue that this story is not even about how he claims expenses but spend his allowance?

Unlike the UK system MEPs get a fixed allowance that is essentially an unaudited additional payment to their salaries that enables them to spend the money on running their offices etc.

If Farage is trousering the allowance rather than spend all the money on running his office then this is not against EU rules and I suspect he would not be alone in that.

This system may be an anathema to us in the UK but I would wager the EU don't take any steps against him because he hasn't done anything wrong.

 

[drew]

It's got to the point where we all need to submit to the fact that representative democracy cannot and will not change anything. We need a new political system which genuinely allows the people to have a voice.

Whether we vote LibLabCon - or UKIP or Green Party - or whoever -it will make absolutely no difference to anything. Anyone who votes for UKIP are just temporarily relieving themselves of a frustration they have with the demise of society & culture, but in reality it's an essentially pointless action which will only perpetuate the problems.

Voting will change absolutely nothing, people really need to wake up to this blindingly obvious fact of modern politics, if they want actual social and political evolution.

Any chance you could actual let us know what exactly you propose would be a workable alternative to our current system, flawed as it may be!

 

[Machiavelli]

Here's something on a great British political leader:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-criminal-record-fracking-green-mp-shale-gas

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Here's something on a great British political leader:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-criminal-record-fracking-green-mp-shale-gas

I understand why she protested, but where do these people expect to get all our energy from in the future. There are more and more people in the UK using more and more energy. If people think this country will run off wind farms one day they really need to look at the bigger picture.

 

[Captain Sensible]

More and more will come out about Farage leading up to the elections. He'll be on the back foot for a change instead of shouting loudest. He's been on the gravy train he hates so much for 15 years. I'm looking forward to the downfall of the cretin.

 

[Danny-Boy]

Nope, you're probably right.

But a lot of by election results are reversed when it comes to a general election, so even if UKIP managed to get themselves a seat somewhere mid term, they may end up losing it come the main event. The protest voters feel they've made their point, and go back to their usual preference.

Remember the Eastbourne by-election, following the IRA murder of Ian Gow? Seen as a massively safe Tory seat. Some weaselly, deeply unimpressive bloke in glasses- I forget his name - stood as the Lib Dem candidate and unexpectedly took the seat by about 5,000 votes.

Then promptly lost it again by the same margin two years later at the next general election. No idea what happened to him after that. Probably faded into the pages of history, right?

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure significant numbers of voters feel confident yet enough to go with UKIP in a general election, although they might put an X in the box for their MEP. And that's why it feels like the coverage Farage gets is disproportionate to his political standing as things are.

Hi Edna I like your appraisal of thse two MPs. Did you ever met them? I did.

I met Gow in 1987 after the Hurricane when a Wildlife project I was working on had to be based at the (old) Towner Art Gallery after our premises were damaged. He came over as a prety straightforward sort of bloke, certainly not worthy of his terrible demise. And tell me who dunnit? No-one's specifically been ID'd as the bomber.

Your "Weasel" I met twice once at the Eastbourne Jobcentre whilst he was the MP. According to the Ashdown diaries he didn't even know about Gow's death and had to be persuaded to stand. Ashdown then LD leader initialy didn't want to fight the seat. The result came as a complete surprise to many in EAstbourne and nationally, it was reckoned to have started the loss of support among Tory MP's for Mrs. T. They all thought "If we can lose Eastbourne.."

I later met Mr W at an LD Party conference in Brighton, must have been about 2003. He was in a corner at a reception looking rather isolated. Apparently he fel out with LD's in Eastbourne after failing to get back in 1997. I never met Waterson but have met Lloyd briefly.

 

[Danny-Boy]

There are too many immigrants in this country........like Nigel Farage's wife. She is a German national called Kirsten Mehr.

He keeps that quiet. And we know what Basil Fawlty and the Major thought of Germans. (Not my opinion I should add!!)

Nor mine after a few happy years out there in the mid-1980's around Heidelberg. (then heavily overpopulated with nubile female language students, and sadly rather creepy Yank forces).

 

[Danny-Boy]

More and more will come out about Farage leading up to the elections. He'll be on the back foot for a change instead of shouting loudest. He's been on the gravy train he hates so much for 15 years. I'm looking forward to the downfall of the cretin.

For a "man of the People" he has a select upbringing at a public schol just up the road from Selhurst.. his first downfall was in 2010 when he was nearly killed in a plane crash on polling day. Then the pilot threatened to finish off the job.. but whatever happened to HIM?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25280591

 

[Machiavelli]

I understand why she protested, but where do these people expect to get all our energy from in the future. There are more and more people in the UK using more and more energy. If people think this country will run off wind farms one day they really need to look at the bigger picture.

RE future energy:
Caroline Lucas has campaigned, quite sensibly, for the following:
-- we use less energy
-- we use energy more efficiently
-- we wean ourselves off fossil fuels
-- we expand our range of renewables (not just wind farms, as you claim, but also solar, tidal, wave, and no doubt others to be developed).
Read the latest report from the IPCC, and they don't disagree. Why do you?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Any chance you could actual let us know what exactly you propose would be a workable alternative to our current system, flawed as it may be!

Benevolent dictatorship ?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

I suggest you wait until May before really judging. I suspect you might be posting a little less then.

I seriously doubt it haha

It looks likely that UKIP will return at least 2 MEPs in the constituency where I live (in 2009 it was 1 UKIP and 1 BNP who picked up seats by proportional representation) Out of 6 seats up for grabs there is a chance of UKIP picking up a 3rd seat in May.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

A) More tomorrow...maybe Farage will sue this Tory supporting Newspaper hmmm ?

So where was this explosive extra stuff today you promised ?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

So where was this explosive extra stuff today you promised ?

It doesn't matter how many times the press try to take down UKIP and Farage a few notches, I don't think it is going to have the effect some people want. The three major parties are scratching their heads wondering what they should do next. Until they address some issues with the EU and Immigration, these issues subjects are not going to go away.

 

[daveinprague]

So where was this explosive extra stuff today you promised ?

In the Times...

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I'm in favour of direct democracy (rather than representative democracy) and a form of syndicalism (rather than capitalism)

We are currently living in a corporatocracy in which we all serve a ruling elite. The influence they have over our media and our politics has become so great that we are no longer living in a democratic society and our politicians no longer serve us.

Voting has become just a way to keep the people from revolting against this corruption, through comforting the masses by creating the illusion that we have a voice, that we have some kind of political influence, but we don't.

Problems such as immigration are a result of this corrupt, undemocratic society that we live in, its sole purpose is to sustain the power of the ruling classes. For that reason voting for UKIP, or voting for anyone for that matter, is utterly pointless. We need some kind of revolution.

I agree with you on this one.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It doesn't matter how many times the press try to take down UKIP and Farage a few notches, I don't think it is going to have the effect some people want. The three major parties are scratching their heads wondering what they should do next. Until they address some issues with the EU and Immigration, these issues subjects are not going to go away.

They could kill UKIP overnight by all agreeing a referendum on the EU this parliament.