M & S pander to this crazy world !

[pastafarian]

There are a few people on this thread who seem determined to be offended and chuck their toys out of the pram over nothing. They aint Muslims and they aint the right on PC 'brigade' who normally get accused of such things.

They do seem to have an agenda to push though.

Hope your not including me in that.

The dave chap earlier seemed to be conveniently ignoring time after time that this whole business blew up because M&S said it was fine for their staff to refuse to serve people booze and pork for religious reasons and that it was ok to request customers politely to go to another till.
It beggars belief that anyone can think this is acceptable.
They were quite rightly forced into a backtrack, they dropped a bollock here plain and simple.

Anyway have a good xmas Mr Fish

 

[downham seagull]

The world I live in does not let religion dictate my life either. I'm just of the view that there's an agenda against Muslims that has been perpetrated by the West, and particularly Bush and Blair, supported by the UK press (of whom only one is actually registered here to pay any tax). This makes me extremely wary of jumping on bandwagons directed against minorities (unless its the rich, as they're fair game, because they're targeting a damn good campaign against the poor).

To be honest you make some fair points, no culture should be disriminated against because a tiny minority of a particular religion which promote such wrong views. The media might well have an agenda which is also wrong. But the crazy stance by M&S is the issue here not the religion in question. Wishing you a happy and peaceful festive time.

 

[BadFish]

Hope your not including me in that.

The dave chap earlier seemed to be conveniently ignoring time after time that this whole business blew up because M&S said it was fine for their staff to refuse to serve people booze and pork for religious reasons and that it was ok to request customers politely to go to another till.
It beggars belief that anyone can think this is acceptable.
They were quite rightly forced into a backtrack, they dropped a bollock here plain and simple.

Anyway have a good xmas Mr Fish

Of course it is not okay for someone to refuse service and not do their job but that isn't really what happened. M&S gave the woman the wrong job that day and put her in a position of compromising her religious beliefs. They apologized for their **** up of not sticking to the policy of not asking people to compromise their beliefs. It is a nothing story about a company who made a mistake and didn't follow their policy and apologized for it.

Some people (not including you) seem to be trying to make a big deal of the M&S policy which attempts to respect peoples religious beliefs which to me also beggars belief.

Anyway I have a lego yacht to build

Merry Christmas Pasta and everyone else

 

[pastafarian]

Of course it is not okay for someone to refuse service and not do their job but that isn't really what happened.

some light reading for you

http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/23/marks-spencer-backtracks-over-muslim-staff-alcohol-policy-4241535/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...serve-customers-pork-and-alcohol-9020982.html

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/faith/article3956718.ece

£10 says your boat sinks

 

[brighton fella]

The world I live in does not let religion dictate my life either. I'm just of the view that there's an agenda against Muslims that has been perpetrated by the West, and particularly Bush and Blair, supported by the UK press (of whom only one is actually registered here to pay any tax). This makes me extremely wary of jumping on bandwagons directed against minorities (unless its the rich, as they're fair game, because they're targeting a damn good campaign against the poor).

"agenda against muslims & supported by the uk press" are you actually for real or just on a wind up

the press/media/government and muslims alike are best of buddies with each other..all joined at the hip !!

if anyone should be feeling perpetrated in this country it should be us the indigenous population & not them!! whilst the government/media etc continue pandering to muslims every need they inconsiderately forget about the indigenous folk who are left behind.

 

[Soulman]

Of course it is not okay for someone to refuse service and not do their job but that isn't really what happened. M&S gave the woman the wrong job that day and put her in a position of compromising her religious beliefs. They apologized for their **** up of not sticking to the policy of not asking people to compromise their beliefs. It is a nothing story about a company who made a mistake and didn't follow their policy and apologized for it.

Some people (not including you) seem to be trying to make a big deal of the M&S policy which attempts to respect peoples religious beliefs which to me also beggars belief.

Anyway I have a lego yacht to build

Merry Christmas Pasta and everyone else

Merry Christmas Badfish, i daresay we shall have our differences in 2014.

 

[daveinprague]

Haha, you always pull this one,
You're off because you're being revealed as a bit of a bellend, no other reason.

Yeah...always pull this one...AT THE SAME FECKING TIME....

Revealed as a bellend? By you?? haha...

 

[daveinprague]

why should marks and Spencer have to ensure that someone's faith isn't conflicted ?anyway from someone who has berated all and sundry for not reading the story , it turns out you haven't either , HE, was a SHE .

Marks and Spencers DONT have to...its their fecking initiative...ffs...haha..

and yes Bushy...the gender of the assistant is all important in this 'story'


Happy xmas anyway

 

[Machiavelli]

"agenda against muslims & supported by the uk press" are you actually for real or just on a wind up

the press/media/government and muslims alike are best of buddies with each other..all joined at the hip !!

if anyone should be feeling perpetrated in this country it should be us the indigenous population & not them!! whilst the government/media etc continue pandering to muslims every need they inconsiderately forget about the indigenous folk who are left behind.

You are living in a fantasy land, and the only pandering is to your wild prejudices.

 

[Machiavelli]

To be honest you make some fair points, no culture should be disriminated against because a tiny minority of a particular religion which promote such wrong views. The media might well have an agenda which is also wrong. But the crazy stance by M&S is the issue here not the religion in question. Wishing you a happy and peaceful festive time.

I've only just seen this, and I hope you had a good festive period too. Mine was fine, but offset a little by Charlton's no. 23. I don't want to defend M&S' stance, and no next to nothing of the situation, but would want to know if the policy was actually adopted as a result of particular Jewish concerns about selling pork, which then became extended as a result of Muslim concerns about both pork and alcohol. I don't know if this was the case. Do bear in mind that particular religions have had sanctions on particular products. For instance, up until the modern world, Christians refused to involve themselves with usury (interest). Those Christians we now know of as Catholics, while those Christians that split away from the Catholics are now integral in the world of usury. Barclays, for instance, who have emerged out of the Quakers, have been integral in the way in which the financial sector has evolved in the past few decades.

 

[Machiavelli]

"agenda against muslims & supported by the uk press" are you actually for real or just on a wind up

the press/media/government and muslims alike are best of buddies with each other..all joined at the hip !!

if anyone should be feeling perpetrated in this country it should be us the indigenous population & not them!! whilst the government/media etc continue pandering to muslims every need they inconsiderately forget about the indigenous folk who are left behind.

You've indulged in a highly selective comment on my previous post. How many Muslims have been killed in, for instance, Iraq by the coalition of the willing (Bush and Blair)? Compare this total with the number of those that have been killed by Muslims. See if you can respond to this, and see how many eye-brows you can raise.

 

[The Spanish]

There is a big wide world outside Little England SM. You should have a look it is amazing.

you had a look and opted for a place where they speak english play cricket and has a union jack on the flag.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Quite frankly what that shop assistant did was wrong here. If it was the other way around and you refused to serve a customer because they had halal meat in their basket, and because you don't agree with how the animal was slaughtererd in the first place, you would probably be accused of being an islamaphobic, get a verbal warning from your employer or even worse lose your job. That is the country we live in today.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

They'll be trying to stop Christmas next

The rail companies tried their bloody hardest this year.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

and therein lies the irony of the whole situation: customers will discriminate against some staff along racial lines, avoiding their queue, because they think they might refuse to serve them.

Or maybe they will simply read the notice in the same manner as "baskets only" or "cash only, no cards"?

 

[brighton fella]

You've indulged in a highly selective comment on my previous post. How many Muslims have been killed in, for instance, Iraq by the coalition of the willing (Bush and Blair)? Compare this total with the number of those that have been killed by Muslims. See if you can respond to this, and see how many eye-brows you can raise.

do you think I like the fact that our boys have been sent over to a shithole thousands of miles away to fight in a war that will never end ?? that's not part of the argument anyway but if it were I think you'd find the answer to be that our boys don't fire indiscriminate "or atleast they dont intentionaly" whereas the lot who you are siding with couldn't give a f*ck who they kill & how and when !!
the argument here is why do our spineless hirachy pander to a muslims every need yet ignore the simple needs and opinions of the indigenous folk who are left behind and why do folk like you fail to comprehend this ?? all I can assume is that all of you are getting one cracking bonus from the unionists, there must be something in it for all of you?? we know the government kop something out of it?

 

[daveinprague]

Ah, MarkFellla, the halfwit, who is inviting racists, neo nazis, and violent drunks to Brighton for the MFE drunkfest...

This argument is nothing of a sort...the argument is about M&S HR policy...which includes Christians, Muslims, and Jews also.
Nothing to do with the 'hierachy' the 'government'...or anything else..
Youre an idiot.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

do you think I like the fact that our boys have been sent over to a shithole thousands of miles away to fight in a war that will never end ?? that's not part of the argument anyway but if it were I think you'd find the answer to be that our boys don't fire indiscriminate "or atleast they dont intentionaly" whereas the lot who you are siding with couldn't give a f*ck who they kill & how and when !!
the argument here is why do our spineless hirachy pander to a muslims every need yet ignore the simple needs and opinions of the indigenous folk who are left behind and why do folk like you fail to comprehend this ?? all I can assume is that all of you are getting one cracking bonus from the unionists, there must be something in it for all of you?? we know the government kop something out of it?

I agree with what you say and if the M&S situation was the other way around, not only would you be called an Islampahobic you would possibly end up losing your job, and I don't care what religion it is, if you start trying to shove it down everyones throats it is completely wrong.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Don't your supermarkets have the self check out systems installed yet? I reckon they are great and save having to worry about anyone else serving you.

 

[spring hall convert]

Most Muslims are Muslims ' in name only , really ? Are you really trying to assert that most Muslims pay lip service to their faith ? If so I'd like to know where you draw this conclusion from ?

From talking to people in real life rather than getting obsessively worked up by disingenuous stories in the right wing media and stoking up hatred on internet forums?

As it goes, for Uk based Mulsims I 100% agree with Dave's statement. Same goes for every other religion in this country, it just a'int that important to the vast majority.