Should we be talking to Argentina about the Falklands?

[Stoo82]

before i'd never really given the channel islands a second thought

but a work colleague of mine who originates from brittany swears blind that those islands are french

I suppose if the isle of wight was french we'd have the hump

The islands have never been French.

They were part of the Duchy of Normandy, part of England through the conquest by William the Conquer, Duke of Normandy, in 1066. Eventually 'England', or the English crown lost Normandy, along with other teritories, by NOT the islands at the end of the 100 years war with France.

The Chanel Islands remained a Crown Dependency, ie: under the control of the Crown, but not the English/British government.

Just think of Le Saux and Le Tissier, both born on the Islands, which French sounding names.

It’s never just a simple as saying, ah - these such and such islands are closer to this country so they mush by right belong to them, even an old country like France has never had any control over the Chanel Islands. Not that they are ever trying too!

 

[HOFNSKIN]

It would have been cheaper to give every Falkland Islander a million pounds each to resettle in the UK than carry on this last act of British colonialism, trying to defend a bird sanctuary 8000 miles away.Within the next 100 years the UK GOVERNMENT, OR EU UNITED FEDERAL STATES, what ever, will for economic reasons give up trying to defend this ridiculous aspect of Foreign Policy.

 

[driller]

Found this article which explains a lot :

Sun 'double bluffing' Argentina into war


But this time with quotes from Gary Barlow
THE Sun’s open letter to Argentina is a double bluff to deliver the paper’s dream of a second Falklands war, it has emerged.
The tabloid took out an advert in a Buenos Aries newspaper urging President Cristina Kirchner to respect the islands’ sovereignty, but which was obviously just moments away from including the word ‘Gotcha’.

Media analyst Martin Bishop explained: “Nothing is more likely to provoke the Argentinians than a ‘hands-off’ warning from the paper that revelled so delightfully in the deaths hundreds of their sailors.

“By making what appears to be an impassioned argument for self-determination the Sun is in fact ensuring that Port Stanley will be under Argentinian control by, I would venture, next Thursday.

“At that point a fireworks display will be ignited atop the Sun’s London headquarters which the paper will insist is merely a morale-boosting measure to ‘prepare us for the dark days ahead’.

“The next day they will run a front page which will simply be the masthead and the words ‘Our Lads’.

“There will then be a 28-page commemorative guide to how and when hundreds of Argentinian conscripts will meet their violent, fiery deaths accompanied by a special ‘Falklands II’ logo which just says ‘Die Argie gayboys’.”

It is understood that since his appointment in 2009, Sun editor Dominic Mohan has spent more than six hours a day dictating Falkands-related headlines while he masturbates feverishly into a bucket.

 

[Beach Hut]

We could I suppose along the lines f*** off

 

[Northstandite]

Absolutely in my opinion.

Why would we refuse to talk to them?

We cannot continue to bear the costs of maintaining our military presence on a bunch of rocks 8000 miles away in the South Atlantic, so we may as well start talking to the Argies and agreeing a workable solution.

The Argies are not cannibals. They are unlikely to put the Falkland Islanders in pots, boil them, and then eat them. What's the worst that could happen if some kind of joint sovereignity was agreed?

Jaw, jaw; not war, war.

 

[Northstandite]

I'd say the real risk of not coming to some sort of agreement with Argentina is being frozen out of a future fairly powerful South American trading bloc.

This isn't a risk all the while we're in the EU - I doubt the EU would allow the South Americans to cherry pick which EU member states they do business with. However, more and more people in this country are concluding we don't benefit sufficiently from the EU, so if we were to leave and become independent, it would be far easier for the South Americans to boycott UK products, much as the US does with Cuba.

With their close 'mates' Chile and Brazil.

 

[Stoo82]

I disagree, I don't think we hold all the aces. We currently have possession of the islands (re-established by force of arms), the inhabitants want to stay British and our historical claim is at least as valid as Argentina's. But this isn't 1982 any more and the sensible, 'realpolitic' position is to accept that we've got a very good bargaining position that we definitely shouldn't just give away. But on the other hand if Argentina, covertly or overtly backed by all their supporters, try it on again (and don't emulate Lord Carrington and say it couldn't happen), the outcome won't be the same. That would be the ultimate betrayal of those who died there last time.

Democrays do not declare war on each other.

 

[vegster]

The Falklands are now British forever, you can't just invade somewhere and claim it just because you want it. They did not play by the rules and so we will take our ball away.

 

[Gangsta]

Right to self-determination core ethos of UN. Since WW2, no retrospective ownership rights really exist in all but the deluded idiotic minds of few a politicians worldwide trying to divert attention from their own terrible home/economic decisions/outcomes (such as that silly cow in Argentina who's popularist policies is sending their economy over a cliff (and this time when they default no one will come back as the Repsol fiasco and others have confrmed that this country cannot be trusted. Instead it will be a rerun of the 1800's - the only naval action they are going to see will be gunboats sailing up the River Plate asking for the money back - maybe this is why China has started getting together a proper navy - Debt collection?). The UN commission for de-colonalisation or whatever it's called is a farce ruled over by a few interested states trying to get a platform that no one else is interested - if they were serious they could start with looking at France's colonies where significant % of the population want independance and France has evaded the vote - see New Caledonia etc.

So its correctly up to the locals, any historical arguement is erroneous - this would set a precedent for redrawing half the world map - Poland wouldn't be too happy. And for that matter, maybe Argentina itself should be handed back to its indigenous peoples - that's if the Spanish didn't murder them all.

PS - I'm not some little Englander, if the locals wanted out, then I would support that - same with Scotland and N Ireland. Ballot Box before War or indeed in this case - Cynical Political Wankers. God it makes me so glad I was at Sapporo for that game.

 

[Viva Calderon]

Absolutely in my opinion.

Why would we refuse to talk to them?

We cannot continue to bear the costs of maintaining our military presence on a bunch of rocks 8000 miles away in the South Atlantic, so we may as well start talking to the Argies and agreeing a workable solution.

The Argies are not cannibals. They are unlikely to put the Falkland Islanders in pots, boil them, and then eat them. What's the worst that could happen if some kind of joint sovereignity was agreed?

Jaw, jaw; not war, war.

Are You having a laugh Tell that to the families of all of our Brave boys that died down there. Tell that to the islanders that want to remain British BTW we are not refusing to talk to Argentina the majority of Argentinians couldn't give a flying fart about the Falklands its there stuck up bitch of a war mongering President spouting off about it to cover up the mess she has made of trying to run the country.. Don't you read whats actually happening around the globe The Falklands are British Now and forever !!! Deal with it !!

 

[Soulman]

Are You having a laugh Tell that to the families of all of our Brave boys that died down there. Tell that to the islanders that want to remain British BTW we are not refusing to talk to Argentina the majority of Argentinians couldn't give a flying fart about the Falklands its there stuck up bitch of a war mongering President spouting off about it to cover up the mess she has made of trying to run the country.. Don't you read whats actually happening around the globe The Falklands are British Now and forever !!! Deal with it !!

 

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Attack on a Friday or Saturday night and trust me, they would take it with ease!! ��

really ? maybe the remfs in stanley or mpa will be pissed up, im quite sure that the subs, raf and infantry will have people on qrf etc !!

 

[Pickledegg]

5 tours of MPC! Trust me the booze flows at a weekend! Yes there is a QRF and yes they are a great deterrent! On a serious not IMHO Argie would get at least a bloody nose if they tried anything!

 

[Pickledegg]

really ? maybe the remfs in stanley or mpa will be pissed up, im quite sure that the subs, raf and infantry will have people on qrf etc !!

5 tours of MPC! Trust me the booze flows at a weekend! Yes there is a QRF and yes they are a great deterrent! On a serious not IMHO Argie would get at least a bloody nose if they tried anything!

 

[User removed 4]

5 tours of MPC! Trust me the booze flows at a weekend! Yes there is a QRF and yes they are a great deterrent! On a serious not IMHO Argie would get at least a bloody nose if they tried anything!

when i first went down you had to get a ship from ascension island , by the time i came back mount pleasant was finished , and we flew back, still had a stop over at ascension though. I s there anyone in stanley now , is lookout camp and the coastels still there ?

 

[Gullys Cats]

The islanders see themselves as British, and have consistently re-affirmed their wish to remain so.

So, basically, no.

This and a bit of oil

 

[BHAZiggy]

Malvinas argentinas irish rebel folk.mp4 - YouTube

 

[User removed 4]

Malvinas argentinas irish rebel folk.mp4 - YouTube

wanker.

 

[BHAZiggy]

wanker.

I applaud your debating skills. Do you know and other rude words?

 

[User removed 4]

I applaud your debating skills. Do you know and other rude words?

There's nothing to debate, I think you're a wanker for putting that up, so I said so.