Sorry Republicans.

[Barrel of Fun]

But she is still on her throne.

As a system it is probably as good as any other, i agree with you on that. My main argument is that if the royals are truely moving forward and embracing modern thinking. then it is time for the queen to go, because from where i am sitting she does not embrace any of those things.

She has mellowed. Rolled with the punches. She was brought up in a very austere country. The telling fact is that republicans do not register. London was full of flag waving people having fun with very small pockets of various protests. We are shit at demonstrating, but the royal family remains in tact and long may it continue.

Whe should she abdicate? I don't see her shunning the modern way of thinking and living.

 

[8ace]

Isn't Camilla a bead rattler?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I don't follow the cricket sorry, shit awful boring sport.

That undermines all rhyme and reason. Don't tell me, you love basketball. Why the f*** do they play for so long when it always boils down to the last basket. Now that is a shit sport.

 

[BadFish]

She has mellowed. Rolled with the punches. She was brought up in a very austere country. The telling fact is that republicans do not register. London was full of flag waving people having fun with very small pockets of various protests. We are shit at demonstrating, but the royal family remains in tact and long may it continue.

Whe should she abdicate? I don't see her shunning the modern way of thinking and living.

That could be the crux of the discussion here Barrel as i don't see her embracing it.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

She has certainly mellowed. I don't see her shunning the modern world and its workings.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Exclusive closed shop is a bit far-fetched.

Its not even the queen but the CoE that wont allow a Catholic to marry due to the compromise it puts the monarch in.

William has obviously married a 'commoner', hardly exclusive. Interesting that William had 3 exes who were upper class and he went for Kate - friends first, then lovers, like that

In the real world the daughter of millionaires wouldnt be considered "common".

This is why it's a complete charade.

The laws that prevent a Royal from marrying a Catholic aren't laws the CoE could do anything about if the Governments decided to change them.

The Act of Settlement 1701 is being looked at and has been proposed previously as something that need to be rectified so that anyone can be elligible to be an English royal and that the sexist clause that favours males is also removed.

The Monarchy isnt owned by the CoE. Many a Monarch of England wasn't an Anglican.

 

[beorhthelm]

If the queen does the same job as the president then for my money that means we don't need a sepeate head of state, most of those things can be done by our elected leader.
According to Wikipedia the queen and prince phillip have three official estates and four private ones. this is, in this day and age excessive.

possibly it is, but that really hasnt got anything to do with the for and against of monarchy. how many residences does Duncan Bannatyne, JK Rowling, David Beckham or Tony Bloom have?

wether we have an elected head of state or not is really all its about, the costs of running the institution would be largely the same, and that cost is a rounding error in public finances anyway.

 

[BadFish]

She has certainly mellowed. I don't see her shunning the modern world and its workings.

Plenty of mothers, from that era, tried to do the same. Life has changed since those days.

but you certainly admit that she is of the old guard.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

That undermines all rhyme and reason. Don't tell me, you love basketball. Why the f*** do they play for so long when it always boils down to the last basket. Now that is a shit sport.

Play for so long?

How long does a game of basketball go for and how long does a game of any form of cricket go for?

A shit sport is when you have to wait 5 days for the result of the match.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

the Act of Settlement determines this. its the decision of parliament, not the monarch.

Spot on.

It's an archaic law that needs removing.

Though the Monarch has it within their powers to request it be ammended.

 

[beorhthelm]

In the real world the daughter of millionaires wouldnt be considered "common".

it depends if you are using a normal dictionary or one editted by those burnt up with envy. there are thousands of millionaires these days, but thats beside the point "commoner" does not mean the same as "common". being middle class wealthy does not make you part of the aristrocracy by default, no matter how much money you spend or what schools you go to (though it can help get there...)

Spot on.

It's an archaic law that needs removing.

Though the Monarch has it within their powers to request it be ammended.

you dont seem to get it, the Monarch cant just ask parliament to change the law, its their power.

 

[BadFish]

possibly it is, but that really hasnt got anything to do with the for and against of monarchy. how many residences does Duncan Bannatyne, JK Rowling, David Beckham or Tony Bloom have?

wether we have an elected head of state or not is really all its about, the costs of running the institution would be largely the same, and that cost is a rounding error in public finances anyway.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-special-how-rich-is-the-queen-and-what-does-she-really-own-606171.html

17 billion is no rounding error.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Play for so long?

How long does a game of basketball go for and how long does a game of any form of cricket go for?

A shit sport is when you have to wait 5 days for the result of the match.

Cricket is watched and enjoyed by billions. Basketball is watched by a smattering of weirdos.

Many millions more would rather watch cricket than 14 men running about in oversized shorts and wifebeaters.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Isn't Camilla a bead rattler?

No, she was married to a Catholic and her children are Catholics.

 

[beorhthelm]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-special-how-rich-is-the-queen-and-what-does-she-really-own-606171.html

17 billion is no rounding error.

thats the value of the Crown Estate, held in trust for the nation (as you can read in the link you posted). not the Queens personal assets (which from rich list is around £270m). this is besides the point, the cost of running the office of the crown is the upkeep of the official palaces, entertaining foreign heads of state, the civil list etc. we'd save some on the civil list, which is about £8 million.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Cricket is watched and enjoyed by billions. Basketball is watched by a smattering of weirdos.

Many millions more would rather watch cricket than 14 men running about in oversized shorts and wifebeaters.

Justin Bieber sells more albums than plenty of talented artists. Popularity means nothing in terms of talent or entertainment.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Justin Bieber sells more albums than plenty of talented artists. Popularity means nothing in terms of talent or entertainment.

It does when it has continued to be popular for many decades.

 

[BadFish]

thats the value of the Crown Estate, held in trust for the nation (as you can read in the link you posted). not the Queens personal. anyway the cost of running the office of the crown, is the upkeep of the official palaces, entertaining foreign heads of state, the civil list etc. we'd save some on the civil list, which is about £8 million.

But access to these treasures is restricted by hundreds of years of obfuscation over what the Queen owns as sovereign and what belongs to her as Elizabeth Windsor.

it also says this in the article, but i am suggesting we should not distinguish between her and her role because her personal fortune has been gained from the fact that she is queen. Therefore i believe that the whole amount should e considered her wealth as a monarch.

It is probably worth pointing out that i don't really care about people with lots of houses and cash, good luck to them. I am interesting in the royals who have made a vast personal and professional fortune off the back of their people, many of who are suffering and struggling.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

it depends if you are using a normal dictionary or one editted by those burnt up with envy. there are thousands of millionaires these days, but thats beside the point "commoner" does not mean the same as "common". being middle class wealthy does not make you part of the aristrocracy by default, no matter how much money you spend or what schools you go to (though it can help get there...)

I use common sense.

Something that isn't applied by most when discussing the royals.

Imagine thinking any human is better than another simply by a title bestowed on them at birth by some rubbish system.

Williams children will be no bettter than your children nor should they be given any more benefits/special privs than you own children deserve to recieve.

you dont seem to get it, the Monarch cant just ask parliament to change the law, its their power.

Yes they can.

They can approach any number of politicians to create a proposition to have the laws changed.

That's if they wanted to, but their bigotry would see this not occur. At least not while that old cow is still in power.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

It does when it has continued to be popular for many decades.

You mean like Days of our Lives and Coronation Street?

Popular, but rubbish.