Because otherwise there would be Nothing At All. And you wouldn't be asking these questions.
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Your views on the origin of the Universe
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Because otherwise there would be Nothing At All. And you wouldn't be asking these questions.
Oh, yes, our understanding of time as linear is flawed. See Einstein. Theory of Relativity.
Spot on. Excellent.
Absolutely.
Being mere humans, we like things to have a beginning, a middle, and and ending. We cannot contemplate otherwise. But that is because our own individual lives have beginnings, middles and ends. We are born, we live and we die. But the cosmos just carries on regardless of whether we, as individuals, are here or not. We are just specks, or even smaller than specks, in the entire scheme of things. We are not that important. As individuals, we are just another soul, another skin-covered package of consciousness. Our body rots, but our soul moves on. Our soul is not a physical thing and it moves from body to body, from thing to thing, perhaps being everywhere for all eternity but sectioned off, periodically, to belong to one particular body so that we understand our own lives as a segment of time. But if time was more complex than we think it is (Einstein. Relativity.), then time does not have to have a beginning, a middle and an end. Every second of time, for all time, could be the same second, or nano-second, or even-smaller-than-a-nano second. Our souls could be everywhere at once.
We could all, actually, be sharing the same soul at the same time. Sometimes, there can be a blip, where we lock on to a part of the communal soul that isn't associated with our physical body, even at a different time to our own. In this way, we can lock on to the future, the past, or someone else's mind, or be at one with our cat, dog or horse, and whisper to it. Thus, we can see and hear ghosts, UFOs, and partake in mind-reading. But, as humans, we are so basic, yet so arrogant, that we do not have the capacity to use our whole brains to access this incomprehensible part of our being, so we ignore the possibility of its existence.
We understand "nothingness" as a void, of some sort, without phycial components. And that is incomprehensible to us. Yet "nothingness" could be full of something that is physically untouchable, and physically unexaminable by science. "Nothingness" could be a physical void, but full of all that is meta-physical and something that science cannot yet examine.
Both the individual human mind, and the communal human meta-physical soul could well possess a great deal of power, if the arrogant little human could climb out of his own, individual and self-centred consciousness. But each human is so busy just trying to survive, that he has probably lost the ability to do that. But, it is also possible that some human minds are just too dangerous to let loose like this, so nature has curtailed the human ability to reach deep into his own mind and soul, as a utilitarian safety-valve. It is this kind of lock-down which prevents us ever knowing the answer to that age-old question. Why am I here?
I don't think we are so much underdeveloped, as over-developed. That is, the human spirit has gone into reverse and become self-centred and inward-looking rather than outward-looking. If we were outward-looking, we might be able to contemplate the idea of parallel universes and blips in time and place whereby we constantly lock ourselves in to our own time and place. And yet, we have all fliped over at some point or other. We have all had deja-vu. We have all experienced the idea that we have lived this bit before. It might be only 20 seconds, but we've done it before, somewhere. Was it a dream? Or did we really do that, and in some mind-boggling way due a blip in time, did we momentarily live the same bit of our lives, twice?
Thanks for sharing, Mr. Hawking.
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Dancing Sock
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Origins of the universe? Nobody knows, yes there was a big bang, so far, we know that, but where did it come from?
Those of a religious view, would say that it was a God that made it. But, where did God come from?
Existence its self seems to be something that has come from nothing, but where did that nothing come from in order to make the existence?
Is nothing, actually something that exists? Nothing, is something after all.
Man this sh*t is so cool though, I think about this kind of stuff all the time and I hope in my lifetime, we will find the answer to these questions which have baffled us curious humans for millenniums.
Those of a religious view, would say that it was a God that made it. But, where did God come from?
Existence its self seems to be something that has come from nothing, but where did that nothing come from in order to make the existence?
Is nothing, actually something that exists? Nothing, is something after all.
Man this sh*t is so cool though, I think about this kind of stuff all the time and I hope in my lifetime, we will find the answer to these questions which have baffled us curious humans for millenniums.
yxee
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Most theories on the origin are untestable with current state of the art observations, so I think the safest (and most rational) answer is "we don't have a clue". There's a huge amount we don't know about events after the big bang, so even asking a question about what happened before or even during (i.e. t=0) the big bang seems like we're getting ahead of ourselves; some discovery in CERN might render the question obsolete.
Having said that, I don't believe something coming from nothing is a suitable explanation of events, and it usually means there's an underlying mechanism we don't yet understand, eg. if you see a cloud suddenly appear, you'd think something came from nothing unless you understood the process of condensation. So I'd take a total guess and say that there might have been something before the big bang, that for some reason contained a very dense, hot region which became the initial condition for our current universe. This would have tied in nicely with the old "big crunch" idea but that's pretty much ruled out nowadays. 2013 data is saying the universe is 13.8 bn years old, contains 25% matter that we can't see or account for, and 68% non-matter that is causing the universe to stretch apart faster and faster. So who on earth knows !
Having said that, I don't believe something coming from nothing is a suitable explanation of events, and it usually means there's an underlying mechanism we don't yet understand, eg. if you see a cloud suddenly appear, you'd think something came from nothing unless you understood the process of condensation. So I'd take a total guess and say that there might have been something before the big bang, that for some reason contained a very dense, hot region which became the initial condition for our current universe. This would have tied in nicely with the old "big crunch" idea but that's pretty much ruled out nowadays. 2013 data is saying the universe is 13.8 bn years old, contains 25% matter that we can't see or account for, and 68% non-matter that is causing the universe to stretch apart faster and faster. So who on earth knows !
Mo Gosfield
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I should be thinking about this all the time but I don't. I carry on in my own little self-centred world dealing with the minutiae of life and getting more and more insular.
Fair play to you theorists out there. I'm just too lazy to try and think it through.
Fair play to you theorists out there. I'm just too lazy to try and think it through.
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