Woolwich Murder suspect attacked in Prison

[W.C.]

Where are all the "innocent until proven guilty" brigade?

That sounds like fun! Where can I join this brigade?

 

[The Camel]

Yeah, trial by mob rule is always far better than trial by judge and jury

Are there any paediatricians we can attack while we're at it?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

About 18 months/2 years ago we (british military) were put on stand-by and given comprehensive training to go into the prisons and cover a prison officers strike (it was supposed to be a big secret at the time but i believe it became common knowledge eventually). We were informed that most prisons (especially London) had a HUGE muslim/arab contingent in them and we were to expect big problems from them.

I would imagine that the Woolwich guy's are being seen as hero's by that section of the prison population and could be more protected than you might imagin.

They didn't protect him very well, did they?

 

[wellquickwoody]

He should lose his life.

He does not fear losing his life, it would be glorious martyrdom for him. He may not fear the beatings that will inevitably happen.

But he can feel the pain of those beatings and woundings, again, and again, and again add infinitum for the next sixty years. That is why he should not lose his life.

 

[Insel affe]

They didn't protect him very well, did they?

No and they never can 100% of the time, the same happens to big Mafia Dons in the USA etc.

His point is as I pointed out in a previous point we are now seeing Muslim prison gangs being formed just as the Mexican and Black prisoners did in the states in the 50s & 60s. What we have not got yet are white brotherhood gangs as a counter balance to keep the status quo so to speak, just random attacks like the one we are talking about. Muslim prison gangs are probably the most organised and dangerous.

 

[Perfidious Albion]

No civilised person would defend the actions of this man , but I would not defend the actions of Mark Bridger , who killed that little girl in Wales, either. He did it for perverted pleasure, these guys for a twisted ideology. What is worse?

This from the Evening Standard, just for background:

"Prison officers "strenuously deny any wrongdoing" after Woolwich murder suspect Michael Adebolajo lost two teeth when he was restrained in jail, a trade union said.
The 28-year-old was injured at high security Belmarsh prison in south east London on Wednesday, where he is being held on suspicion of murdering soldier Lee Rigby.

The Prison Officers' Association (POA) hit out at the Ministry of Justice, claiming it had done "little to avoid sensationalist reporting" of what happened."

 

[Gritt23]

Where are all the "innocent until proven guilty" brigade?

I'm a strong believer in innocent until proven guilty, but I see absolutely no-one, even the perpetrators claiming there is any innocence about them. He stood there with blood soaked hands talking to cameras about why he'd done it.

 

[osgood]

Hope he gets the dentist he deserves

 

[Northstander]

Should put in isolation, where a hood and in a stress position whilst a stereo plays the greatest hits of Luke and Matt goss on high volume on a permanent loop

 

[The Camel]

No civilised person would defend the actions of this man , but I would not defend the actions of Mark Bridger , who killed that little girl in Wales, either. He did it for perverted pleasure, these guys for a twisted ideology. What is worse?

This from the Evening Standard, just for background:

At the risk of antagonising the torch bearers, there really is no comparison between Bridger and the Woolwich terrorists.

The Woolwich guys chose a military target and turned down an easy opportunity to kill several civilians.

They are at war with the West. In their eyes Lee Davy was a legitimate target.

Bridger killed a defenseless little girl for sexual gratification.

I know which one I believe is more evil.

I am very sad Lee Davy died, my condolences go to his family and friends.

But the loss of a soldier is in no equal to losing an 8 year old girl.

To put them in the same bracket is ridiculous.

 

[Baldseagull]

At the risk of antagonising the torch bearers, there really is no comparison between Bridger and the Woolwich terrorists.

The Woolwich guys chose a military target and turned down an easy opportunity to kill several civilians.

They are at war with the West. In their eyes Lee Davy was a legitimate target.

Bridger killed a defenseless little girl for sexual gratification.

I know which one I believe is more evil.

I am very sad Lee Davy died, my condolences go to his family and friends.

But the loss of a soldier is in no equal to losing an 8 year old girl.

To put them in the same bracket is ridiculous.

Who is Lee Davy?

 

[The Camel]

Who is Lee Davy?

Rigby obviously

 

[Caveman]

Hope he gets the dentist he deserves

Give him a set of doggy dentures.

 

[LA1972]

At the risk of antagonising the torch bearers, there really is no comparison between Bridger and the Woolwich terrorists.

The Woolwich guys chose a military target and turned down an easy opportunity to kill several civilians.

They are at war with the West. In their eyes Lee Davy was a legitimate target.

Bridger killed a defenseless little girl for sexual gratification.

I know which one I believe is more evil.

I am very sad Lee Davy died, my condolences go to his family and friends.

But the loss of a soldier is in no equal to losing an 8 year old girl.

To put them in the same bracket is ridiculous.

Agreed, however you can't blame people for getting in a bit of a tiff about the beheading of a soldier on the streets of our capital. And when you say "they are at war with the west" you are confirming what the EDL and the like have been saying for years

 

[Buzzer]

At the risk of antagonising the torch bearers, there really is no comparison between Bridger and the Woolwich terrorists.

The Woolwich guys chose a military target and turned down an easy opportunity to kill several civilians.

They are at war with the West. In their eyes Lee Davy was a legitimate target.

Bridger killed a defenseless little girl for sexual gratification.

I know which one I believe is more evil.

I am very sad Lee Davy died, my condolences go to his family and friends.

But the loss of a soldier is in no equal to losing an 8 year old girl.

To put them in the same bracket is ridiculous.

Sorry but completely disagree with more or less everything you've written here.

Number one. They didn't turn down opportunities for an easy kill in favour of a tougher military target. They ran down a defenceless, unarmed and unprepared man in the street and then chopped his head off whilst he lay injured. A difficult kill would have been to attack the Army barracks with their intended targets being armed and ready. There's nothing noble about what those f*ckers did. Let's be very clear on that. They were cowards and picked an easy target.

Number two. They are not at war with the west. These two weren't seasoned Jihadists with many years of combat behind them. They weren't a member of any paramilitary organisation that had declared war on the west either. Their beef with British military was the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and he deaths of muslims caused by that presence. Neither of these c*nts were Iraqi or Afghan nationals, neither was directly affected by British involvement in those countries.

Number three. You know which is more evil? Really? By its very nature 'evil' can't be quantified as you seem to want to. Sure, murder is worse than assault but the level at which you want to differentiate is just meaningless as it is offensive.

Number four. The loss of a soldier is very much the equal to an 8 year old girl. Once again, there's no sliding scale of what constitutes the worst loss of life. This soldier wasn't killed on duty either but just going about his business. A child is going to grow up not knowing their father. Why is that loss not as bad as parents never seeing their own child grow up? At least the parents of the murdered 8 year old won't have the murder freely available to look at on the internet for the rest of their life. You see how irrelevant it is to grade the respective atrocities?

Number five. To put them (the murderers) in the same bracket is not ridiculous when that bracket reads 'murdering scum who deserve nothing but bad things'.

And at the very least when you're trying to show respect for someone murdered get their bloody name right. It was Rigby. Lee Rigby.

 

[LA1972]

One of the benefits of the free democratic society that we enjoy here in the UK is that you are innocent until proven guilty and entitled to be tried by a jury of ones peers and until justice has taken it's course it is all rather unsatisfactory in cases such as this that appear to be a formality. Although you do wonder if the defendant will plead not guilty and opt to drag this through a full trial.

I'm fairly liberal in my views and generally try to see the other point of view. However this case seems pretty open and shut, so realistically matey would appear to be looking at a life sentence during which his card will inevitably be marked inside prison and have to look over his shoulder.

Of course another benefit of our society is that the defendant might be eligible for legal aid and the state (ie you and I) may end up paying his legal fees on top of his bed and board for life.

You might wonder if why such people don't like living by the rules of our rather liberal society that they don't they go somewhere else, but then they know they can perpetrate such crimes in the full glare of live TV and get to live another day all the while prolonging their rhetoric. The irony is that if matey had sufficiently provoked the police into meting out a lethal response at the scene of his crime then summary justice would have been an (unintended) outcome and we wouldn't now be debating these points.

"Matey" ? Only on NSC

 

[Nibble]

Injury allegedly sustained while being restrained by guards not from another prisoner.

 

[Philzo-93]

In the USA he would have been shot dead at the scene. Thankfully our Police saw the bigger picture and shot to wound knowing he would endure a life of hell in prison for as long as he lives. That is why the Police here should be applauded.

This!

Long may his assaults continue and he never sees the green grass of the big world EVER again!

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Sorry but completely disagree with more or less everything you've written here.

Number one. They didn't turn down opportunities for an easy kill in favour of a tougher military target. They ran down a defenceless, unarmed and unprepared man in the street and then chopped his head off whilst he lay injured. A difficult kill would have been to attack the Army barracks with their intended targets being armed and ready. There's nothing noble about what those f*ckers did. Let's be very clear on that. They were cowards and picked an easy target.

Number two. They are not at war with the west. These two weren't seasoned Jihadists with many years of combat behind them. They weren't a member of any paramilitary organisation that had declared war on the west either. Their beef with British military was the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and he deaths of muslims caused by that presence. Neither of these c*nts were Iraqi or Afghan nationals, neither was directly affected by British involvement in those countries.

Number three. You know which is more evil? Really? By its very nature 'evil' can't be quantified as you seem to want to. Sure, murder is worse than assault but the level at which you want to differentiate is just meaningless as it is offensive.

Number four. The loss of a soldier is very much the equal to an 8 year old girl. Once again, there's no sliding scale of what constitutes the worst loss of life. This soldier wasn't killed on duty either but just going about his business. A child is going to grow up not knowing their father. Why is that loss not as bad as parents never seeing their own child grow up? At least the parents of the murdered 8 year old won't have the murder freely available to look at on the internet for the rest of their life. You see how irrelevant it is to grade the respective atrocities?

Number five. To put them (the murderers) in the same bracket is not ridiculous when that bracket reads 'murdering scum who deserve nothing but bad things'.

And at the very least when you're trying to show respect for someone murdered get their bloody name right. It was Rigby. Lee Rigby.

Superb. This. Since when was their a tariff on the value of a human life ? Quite distasteful to even suggest it imo.

 

[Soulman]

Sorry but completely disagree with more or less everything you've written here.

Number one. They didn't turn down opportunities for an easy kill in favour of a tougher military target. They ran down a defenceless, unarmed and unprepared man in the street and then chopped his head off whilst he lay injured. A difficult kill would have been to attack the Army barracks with their intended targets being armed and ready. There's nothing noble about what those f*ckers did. Let's be very clear on that. They were cowards and picked an easy target.

Number two. They are not at war with the west. These two weren't seasoned Jihadists with many years of combat behind them. They weren't a member of any paramilitary organisation that had declared war on the west either. Their beef with British military was the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and he deaths of muslims caused by that presence. Neither of these c*nts were Iraqi or Afghan nationals, neither was directly affected by British involvement in those countries.

Number three. You know which is more evil? Really? By its very nature 'evil' can't be quantified as you seem to want to. Sure, murder is worse than assault but the level at which you want to differentiate is just meaningless as it is offensive.

Number four. The loss of a soldier is very much the equal to an 8 year old girl. Once again, there's no sliding scale of what constitutes the worst loss of life. This soldier wasn't killed on duty either but just going about his business. A child is going to grow up not knowing their father. Why is that loss not as bad as parents never seeing their own child grow up? At least the parents of the murdered 8 year old won't have the murder freely available to look at on the internet for the rest of their life. You see how irrelevant it is to grade the respective atrocities?

Number five. To put them (the murderers) in the same bracket is not ridiculous when that bracket reads 'murdering scum who deserve nothing but bad things'.

And at the very least when you're trying to show respect for someone murdered get their bloody name right. It was Rigby. Lee Rigby.

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