Woolwich Murder suspect attacked in Prison

[Uncle Spielberg]

I wonder how tight the security was around him ?

 

[Box of Frogs]

5 second rule

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Why has it taken so long? I thought he'd get a royal battering the second he went inside. And then the guards would hand him over.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

He will sue now and get thousands in compo

Well he better make it quick,before someone finishs him off.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Can you imagine what his life is going to be life in Belmarsh with hundreds of hard as nails, East End lags wanting to be the first to kill him and make a name for himself ?

 

[Soulman]

Good news. Shame it was just a couple of teeth though.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

5 second rule

What is this ?

 

[papajaff]

Guards don't see anything for 5 seconds US.

I hope the guys' fists were ok after knocking out the twats teeth. Not so brave without his weapons is he? Really hope he gets attacked on a regular basis.

 

[Insel affe]

Can you imagine what his life is going to be life in Belmarsh with hundreds of hard as nails, East End lags wanting to be the first to kill him and make a name for himself ?

I hate to tell you uncle but the British prison system is rife with Muslim gangs see below, he will be seen as a hero and get protection.


Growing fears over Muslim prison 'gangs'

The Muslim prison population in England and Wales has sharply increased in recent years. The BBC's Ushma Mistry hears from former inmates and prison officers who claim gangs of Muslim prisoners are an increasingly powerful force.
"Muslims run it. Muslims run the prisons and there's nothing the screws can do about it. For a Muslim you'd say it's good but for a non-Muslim, it's very, very bad," a former inmate called Jay says.
'Jay' has spent many years inside various prisons in the South of England
It is a claim which is backed by former prison officers and other inmates.
Jay, 24, is a Muslim and has been in and out of prison for most of his life. He openly admits to helping to convert non-Muslim inmates to Islam and has meted out violence against anyone who dares to "disrespect" his religion.
He first went to prison when he was 15 and said there were hardly any Muslims inmates back then.
"At the beginning not many knew about Islam. There weren't many converts. The mosque was empty, but nowadays jails are run mostly by the Muslims," he said.
"There are certain brothers that convert purely on the basis that they read Islam and they want to believe in something that does good for them. Then other people because they want to be looked after.
"I've been in jail five times and on my last occasion, I've seen jails being run by Muslim inmates.
"Muslim prayers on a Friday are very, very busy. In some prisons there's no space. In one jail I was in, they do the prayers in two sessions because there's no space."
Intimidating

Muslims represent 12% (9,795) of the prison population in England and Wales, according to the latest available figures from 2008. This has risen by 50% over five years.
MUSLIM PRISONER POPULATION
2008: 9,795 (12% of total prison population in England and Wales)
2007: 8,864 (11%)
2006: 8,243 (11%)
2005: 7,246 (10%)
2004: 6,571 (9%)
2003: 6,136 (8%)
Source: Ministry of Justice

In some high security prisons, the figures are well above average.
In 2008, Muslim prisoners accounted for a third (34%) of prisoners in HMP Whitemoor, in March, Cambridgeshire, and about a quarter (24%) of inmates in HMP Long Lartin, in Evesham, Worcestershire.
Speaking anonymously, a former prison officer, who worked at HMP Long Lartin, told the Donal MacIntyre programme about cases where non-Muslim prisoners were seriously assaulted and intimidated for refusing to abide by unofficial rules imposed by Muslim gangs, about eating pork or listening to Western music.

"Muslim gangs was something I was very concerned about - the situation changed where underworld gangsters who used to keep discipline and order were no longer in charge in the prison," she said.
"The younger guys, who were being forced to convert, were doing it more for protection from a Muslim gang rather than follow the faith - most of them weren't interested in the faith.
It is ridiculous to suggest that any gang 'controls' a prison
Prison Service spokesperson
"I knew one lad quite well who was approached by the radical Muslims, and he changed. He just seemed very frightened all the time.
"He used to be forced to pray at certain times and I know for a fact they would be woken in the middle of the night to pray.
"He even grew a long beard even though he didn't want to. I asked him why he grew the beard and he said 'It's survival miss, survival'".
Physical retribution

Colin Moses, national chairman of prison workers' trade union, the POA, said not all Muslims in prison were in gangs, but acknowledged there was a growing problem.
Colin Moses, national chairman, POA
Colin Moses argues prison staff need more resources to tackle the problem
"People are being radicalised, forcibly radicalised by these gangs. We see it as a real danger, now and for the future of prisons," he said.
And, he pointed out that those who were in gangs or converted to Islam often did it to carry out criminal activities.
"As the Muslim population grows, the gangs are becoming more and more prevalent by the week and they fight to take control of the drug trade and the dealing of mobile phones in prison.
"This will make our prisons even more violent," he added.
Violence is something familiar to former inmate Jay, who admits to physical retribution on fellow inmates who he deemed to have disrespected Islam.
"It hurts as a Muslim to have someone disrespect my religion. If we deal with him one time, with violence, and show him what time it is, he will never disrespect our religion again," he said.
He also believes prison officers have much to learn about Islam.
"Islam is a very sensitive matter. And the screws don't understand that. I respect what the screws do but they've got to understand our ways, where we're coming from," he added.
'Wealth of experience'

POA chairman Colin Moses recognises there are some shortcomings in prison staff's understanding of Muslim inmates.
"We must be given the resources to face these gangs, and one of those must be a greater knowledge of the Muslim religion," he said.
"And we must see, I believe, a greater input of Muslim prison officers - we have very few and in some prisons none whatsoever.

"Currently I believe there is a gulf in that knowledge base, and there should be an attempt to eradicate this by the Ministry of Justice."
In a statement, a Prison Service spokesman said the allegations made about Muslim gangs were unsubstantiated.
"It is ridiculous to suggest that any gang 'controls' a prison," he said.
He went on to say: "The Prison Service has a wealth of experience in dealing with gang activity and managing prisoners who form gangs.
"It is important not to conflate security issues with the prisoners' religious identities. 'Muslim gangs' will be treated like other gangs in relation to security concerns.
"Violence is not acceptable in prison and any incidents will be investigated thoroughly and dealt with accordingly, with support from the police where appropriate.
"We have a programme of work in place to respond to the risks of all forms of radicalisation and extremism in prisons (not only al-Qaeda influenced extremism).
"This work will continue to develop to support prisons in tackling this behaviour."

 

[BUTTERBALL]

Yesssss, and hopefully lots more to come for that piece of filth. It won't bring Drummer Rigby back but at least he can experience some pain and terror.

 

[Leighgull]

I hate to tell you uncle but the British prison system is rife with Muslim gangs see below, he will be seen as a hero ."

Good job they're here then and not in effing Saudi Arabia. Nicking phones and dealing drugs is frowned on where sharia law is enforced.

There'd be a lot of one handed lags with lash scars all over their backs.

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

As much as I dont condone violence, he deserves all he gets. He will be left thinking that he wished the police shot him in the head that day instead of the leg.

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

One of the benefits of the free democratic society that we enjoy here in the UK is that you are innocent until proven guilty and entitled to be tried by a jury of ones peers and until justice has taken it's course it is all rather unsatisfactory in cases such as this that appear to be a formality. Although you do wonder if the defendant will plead not guilty and opt to drag this through a full trial.

I'm fairly liberal in my views and generally try to see the other point of view. However this case seems pretty open and shut, so realistically matey would appear to be looking at a life sentence during which his card will inevitably be marked inside prison and have to look over his shoulder.

Of course another benefit of our society is that the defendant might be eligible for legal aid and the state (ie you and I) may end up paying his legal fees on top of his bed and board for life.

You might wonder if why such people don't like living by the rules of our rather liberal society that they don't they go somewhere else, but then they know they can perpetrate such crimes in the full glare of live TV and get to live another day all the while prolonging their rhetoric. The irony is that if matey had sufficiently provoked the police into meting out a lethal response at the scene of his crime then summary justice would have been an (unintended) outcome and we wouldn't now be debating these points.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

One of the benefits of the free democratic society that we enjoy here in the UK is that you are innocent until proven guilty and entitled to be tried by a jury of ones peers and until justice has taken it's course it is all rather unsatisfactory in cases such as this that appear to be a formality. Although you do wonder if the defendant will plead not guilty and opt to drag this through a full trial.

I'm fairly liberal in my views and generally try to see the other point of view. However this case seems pretty open and shut, so realistically matey would appear to be looking at a life sentence during which his card will inevitably be marked inside prison and have to look over his shoulder.

Of course another benefit of our society is that the defendant might be eligible for legal aid and the state (ie you and I) may end up paying his legal fees on top of his bed and board for life.

You might wonder if why such people don't like living by the rules of our rather liberal society that they don't they go somewhere else, but then they know they can perpetrate such crimes in the full glare of live TV and get to live another day all the while prolonging their rhetoric. The irony is that if matey had sufficiently provoked the police into meting out a lethal response at the scene of his crime then summary justice would have been an (unintended) outcome and we wouldn't now be debating these points.

In the USA he would have been shot dead at the scene. Thankfully our Police saw the bigger picture and shot to wound knowing he would endure a life of hell in prison for as long as he lives. That is why the Police here should be applauded.

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

In the USA he would have been shot dead at the scene. Thankfully our Police saw the bigger picture and shot to wound knowing he would endure a life of hell in prison for as long as he lives. That is why the Police here should be applauded.

Yet people in this country wanted him killed then and there at the scene, basically exactly what they wanted. Cant see why you would do that !!

 

[Questions]

Where are all the "innocent until proven guilty" brigade?

Not innocent but I don't want some con handing out justice. What was the attacker in for ? Robbing old ladies ?

 

[Questions]

Can you imagine what his life is going to be life in Belmarsh with hundreds of hard as nails, East End lags wanting to be the first to kill him and make a name for himself ?

Shame the Krays aren't still alive to sort it out huh US. Them was the days.

 

[LA1972]

Not innocent but I don't want some con handing out justice. What was the attacker in for ? Robbing old ladies ?

Punching scum bags teeth out probably! Good on him

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

In the USA he would have been shot dead at the scene. Thankfully our Police saw the bigger picture and shot to wound knowing he would endure a life of hell in prison for as long as he lives. That is why the Police here should be applauded.

Didn't the US Police wound the Boston bomber rather than shoot him dead - thereby allowing them a chance to interrogate him and find out more about what motivated their attacks?

Surely armed Police Officers in the UK are highly trained to react proportionately - but I'm not sure in the heat of the moment when confronted by matey wielding a cleaver, having already decapitated Lee Rigby and now failing to comply with their initial order to put down his weapon the Officers concerned actually stopped to think 'about the bigger picture' and colluded to let matey 'endure a life of hell in prison', which suggests the Police's thinking and motives are questionable. I would suggest their response was (correctly) proportionate to the threat against them and clearly effective in allowing that threat to be contained and for matey to be safely detained.

I prefer to see the actions of the Police as placing the safety of themselves and the public first and I admire them for showing restraint in not using lethal force, however tempting that might be. I also suggest the Police will recognise detaining a living suspect is actually highly desirable in allowing them an opportunity to interview them and discover their motives in carrying out the attack and follow the resulting evidence trail.

 

[Questions]

Punching scum bags teeth out probably! Good on him

Or maybe conning an old girl out of her life savings or smashing a glass into an innocent guys face in a pub........... Who knows ?
Nah I'd rather the courts and the prison authorities dealt with him not some shitty scumbag who's already proved he has no place in society.