Who is the biggest nutjob alive on Earth at the moment ?

[Buzzer]

That's untrue

Given that you think that a bloke who only last month was boasting of climbing North Korea's highest mountain in shoes and a raincoat and this month executed a rival with an anti-aircraft gun is less of a nutjob than a man democratically elected to run a country, I'm not sure you'd recognise the truth if your life depended on it.

 

[Don Quixote]

To be fair we know very little about the young Korean dictator - I have my suspicions that he is little more than a puppet or figurehead for the regime. I suspect he spends his free time watching movies and playing video games, rather than being any kind of evil mastermind.

My nominations go to Cameron and Erdogan - these kind of dictators crave power and wealth - they are doing everything they can get away with to destroy their great nations for personal gain for themselves and their elite buddies.

You could suggest that Cameron is also 'little more than a puppet or figurehead for the regime'. And, indeed, he is an elected servant of the people of this country, a figurehead, not a dictator.

 

[Buzzer]

Obtuse as ever Buzzer. Hate to break it to you, but a lot of what you believe about North Korea is propaganda originating from the South.

...but of course some people will believe anything, as long as it suits their bigoted understanding of the world.

The story about the mountain climbing came from North Korean state news itself.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/32375113/kim-jong-un-climbs-north-koreas-highest-mountain

I think it's you that needs to revisit where you get your news from when you have such a poor success rate in making political predictions. And what is obtuse about pointing out that you think an absolute dictator and tyrant who keeps his people in the most dire poverty is less of a nutjob than a democratically-elected politician? You must have a very warped set of values to make that statement.

 

[Megazone]

We have a winner:

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[Papa Lazarou]

Obtuse as ever Buzzer. Hate to break it to you, but a lot of what you believe about North Korea is propaganda originating from the South.

...but of course some people will believe anything, as long as it suits their bigoted understanding of the world.

[MENTION=5200]Buzzer[/MENTION] - please don't open THIS old chestnut uip again. Avoid eye contact and step away - no rapid movments.

 

[Buzzer]

My understanding of little Kim is that he's a puppet or figurehead for the regime with very little power at all. Cameron on the other hand has so much power - and with it he is ruining the lives of millions of people, causing irreversible damage to our Great British public services... for those reasons, that lunatic is a far greater and more dangerous nutjob than the Korean dictator.

You appear to have a greater understanding of "little Kim" than, say, the entire resources of the US - Korea Institute who were quite clear as to who was in charge at N Korea's most recent People's Assembly http://38north.org/2014/10/mmadden100614/

And you still claim that Cameron is more dangerous than a man in charge of a regime that :
1. forces children into weekly confession and criticism
2. uses the bodies of prisoners as fertiliser
3. forces 100,000 children into annual mass orchestrated games
4. teaches children to draw pictures of dear leader stabbing Americans and Japanese
5. has speakers in every house blaring propaganda
6. sexual assault by state officials is everyday life
7. kidnapped upwards of 200,000 foreigners

and on and on. Here's a report by an Australian judge for the United Nations detailing the crimes against humanity and who they think is ultimately repsonsible
http://www.michaelkirby.com.au/images/stories/pdf/COI_DPRK_REPORT.pdf

The population of North Korea is 25 million people and this is daily life for all but an extremely small percentage of them so please stop your ridiculous comments. You're so far off the mark and clearly so deliberately ignorant of the very real hardship that North Korea that it's downright offensive.

 

[WhingForPresident]

Lenny Henry

 

[Buzzer]

Those bullet points are all from the independent report by a senior Aussie judge to the UN, you fool.

And you think you can dismiss them fairly easily? I think you run little Kim a close second for biggest nutjob.

 

[Baldseagull]

That's untrue - while property is of course one of the key components of wealth, the billionaire families' wealth and commodities come in a wide range of forms... but still, their empires of properties pushing up prices is unacceptable while young people are trapped in perpetual renting.[/QUOTE


You don't think mass immigration, insufficient house building over the last 20 years and low interest rates have anything to do with house prices then?

I think you will be pleasantly surprised over the next 5 years if you truly believe all the socialist propaganda you have been filling your had with over the election period.
I am not a Tory, and would have preferred a coalition Government, but I am relieved that I do not live in North Korea, Russia, IS controlled Iraq, Somalia, Zimbabwe or Sudan, but you can visit any of those, if you want to see a true lunatic running the show.

 

[Baldseagull]

Who is the Aussie judge? Does he have any bias or agendas, for example financial or political? Why was he chosen to present this to the UN? What are his sources and how can we trust them? and so on.

There are so many questions you should be asking, haven't you learned anything from Iraq's alleged "weapons of mass destruction" that illegally led us into the most catastrophic war in living memory?

Again, I'm not saying the bullet points are true or untrue, just that for someone who is "languidly cynical" you certainly do approach issues unquestionably when they seem to back your bigoted view of the world.

I guess you see no irony in you making that comment.

 

[Buzzer]

Who is the Aussie judge? Does he have any bias or agendas, for example financial or political? Why was he chosen to present this to the UN? What are his sources and how can we trust them? and so on..

Let me get this right - you'd rather question the impartiality and word of a senior judge appointed by the UN than admit that your poster boy Kim might be a wrong 'un? Do you not think the UN might have considered this before appointing him?

Again, I'm not saying the bullet points are true or untrue,

Yes you did:

I really don't see the point in going through all seven of your bullet points individually - but it wouldn't take much to disprove at least some of them

You think that it wouldn't take much to disprove some of a report by one of Australia's most noted and respected judges. That's EXACTLY what you've said.

just that for someone who is "languidly cynical" you certainly do approach issues unquestionably when they agree with your bigoted view of the world.

It's "languidly clinical". It comes from a description of Brighton's attacking prowess in the 2011/12 season. At least get that right, please.

 

[simmo]

Who is the Aussie judge? Does he have any bias or agendas, for example financial or political? Why was he chosen to present this to the UN? What are his sources and how can we trust them? and so on.

There are so many questions you should be asking, haven't you learned anything from Iraq's alleged "weapons of mass destruction" that illegally led us into the most catastrophic war in living memory?

Again, I'm not saying the bullet points are true or untrue, just that for someone who is "languidly cynical" you certainly do approach issues unquestionably when they seem to back your bigoted view of the world.

If you refute what an independent UN report says about them...how about Amnesty International another international organisation that is politically neutral,like the UN

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/issues/North-Korea?gclid=CKLct7jz0sUCFaMewwodaYgAcw

This is the heading to the page if you won't go and view the site...

North Korea is in a category of its own when it comes to human rights violations. It is a totalitarian state where tens of thousands of people are enslaved and tortured.

All forms of freedom of expression are repressed and anyone attempting to assert their rights is crushed. In North Korea, where failing to show sufficient reverence for the country's leaders is a serious offence, no one is safe from arrest and imprisonment.

PS If you are going to do a reply please don't mention about other countries like the USA, South Korea, it is just a deflecting tactic and it is a pretty weak one at that.

 

[simmo]

Of course North Korea is a totalitarian state with poverty, gulags, severe oppression and so on - nobody is denying that - my point was that there are countless and relentless reports of atrocities which are not true, and they are not helpful. The only real solution to the North Korea problem is by encouraging it to open up to the world, so these ridiculous propaganda stories are counter-productive - but to be honest my main concern is that peoples' unquestionable faith in world governments and the media extends to issues that affect us at home. People believe anything when it is presented in a certain way.

In answer.....

Of course North Korea is a totalitarian state with poverty, gulags, severe oppression and so on - nobody is denying that - my point was that there are countless and relentless reports of atrocities which are not true, and they are not helpful.

That sentence is almost a contradiction in itself. You refer to gulags and severe oppression but a lack of attrocities?

so these ridiculous propaganda stories are counter-productive

well the UN and Amnesty International obviously don't think they are ridiculous and I give them a million times more credence than anything you come out with.

but to be honest my main concern is that peoples' unquestionable faith in world governments and the media extends to issues that affect us at home.

I think your best bet is to think about your own thoughts first before worrying about anyone else's.

 

[spring hall convert]

David Icke, assuming he's still alive and has not yet been beamed up by lizards Scotty. Else Garth Crooks.

David Icke appears more same with every passing day.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

Bloody hell, I am only trying to point out that there are many reports of North Korea which are untrue, often blatantly obviously, yet the mainstream media laps them up and people genuinely believe them - for example the general being executed with an aircraft gun, or the dictator's uncle being fed to the dogs, and many of the other crazy stories South Korea comes up with - they must be laughing that us Westerners actually take them seriously and report them as news.

With N. Korea it is almost certainly the regime that is committing the atrocities, rather than the leader - but human beings have a bizarre need to personify complex problems, it is just a lot simpler to believe that the young Kim is masterminding it all I suppose, despite being untrue - or perhaps Westerners are just as caught up in the "cult of personality" as the North Koreans.

Just how do you know these reports are untrue...are you a master of all and know what is going on in North Korea or is it just your imagination wishing to humilate the Western powers and democracy ?

 

[Hillian1]

In the blue corner.

 

[Buzzer]

Why would I want to humiliate democracy, you crazy person.

Perhaps you should be questioning why you believe them? They are quite obviously untrue - but if for some reason you need a bit of convincing, here you go :-

South Korea defence chief retracts General execution statement

North Korean uncle was not fed to pack of wild dogs

Would you mind posting some links disproving that report by the Australian judge please?

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Of course North Korea is a totalitarian state with poverty, gulags, severe oppression and so on - nobody is denying that - my point was that there are countless and relentless reports of atrocities which are not true, and they are not helpful. The only real solution to the North Korea problem is by encouraging it to open up to the world, so these ridiculous propaganda stories are counter-productive - but to be honest my main concern is that peoples' unquestionable faith in world governments and the media extends to issues that affect us at home. People believe anything when it is presented in a certain way.

Are you still saying that David Cameron is more of a nutjob than the N Korean leader?

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Bloody hell you lot are unremitting.



I'm not aware of any and I don't care to look, but if you feel passionate about these things, have a look into it yourself - there are plenty of places on the internet you can find balanced discussion about world affairs, including North Korea.



Yes! And I think I made quite a good argument if you care to read it. (post #49)

That's your game winning argument?!

 

[Phat Baz 68]

Not many can touch this nutter.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/apr/27/ukcrime




Scary thing is he looks so completely normal and everyday.