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[Albion] Where is your Albion mojo today?

Where is your Albion mojo today?

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Barham's tash

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Jun 8, 2013
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The pillaging is weighing heavy on my mind - the early release of some of the news from shall we say pseudo official sources is making me think things have been pre-arranged.
 


singing4seagulls

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Apr 2, 2017
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8.

It's down from 9 as:
- Nervousness for Europe and games today.
- Already loads of news about other clubs taking our players. I completely trust Tony/Barber on this, but it will be sad to see players like Mitoma go (IF he does).

But will easily be at a 9 or 10 for next season if keep signing players where we have deficiencies (loving that we've already signed a defender) and keep improving the squad. Especially if we bag Europe (come on Forest!) 💪
 




Hotchilidog

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Jan 24, 2009
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Solid 8 for me. It‘s been a good season and we have overcome a lot of obstacles this season.
I end this season optimistic for the future, our manager has gained some valuable experience, our younger players too, the new signings look promising and exciting. A lot to look forward to.

I shaved two points off the full 10 as I am worried we may lose Mitoma and there is a slight tinge of what might have been as regards Europe and the cup. Still despite some frustrating results we‘ve also been treated to some cracking victories, last minute winners and wonder goals, so I feel an 8/10 is appropriate
 




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Oct 8, 2003
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10 would be winning a major trophy, 9 would be a final and/or champions league qualification. So with the optimism of what could be tomorrow and beyond I have gone 8. On a less optimistic day it could easily be a 7.

FWIW I don't think I have dropped below a 6 this season, and only then after the Forest debacle.

We are doing pretty well.
Here (below) is our final league positions since I started going. What sort of score would you be giving from 83 to 2016?

Our league position at times means the mojo must have been down to negative number, plus we also won the square root of f*** all, and this presumably means the mojo could be measured in imaginary numbers ( a function of the square root of -1).

Yes, I accept that recency bias may justify a sigmoid scale where the amount of extra mojo felt at the top (and lost down at the bottom) is disproportionately lower than actual change in achievement, and that all the big mojo shift is when the hope is killing you as we bounce around between tiers 2 and 3.

But I'm more inclined towards a log scale. The Euphoria of 6th and a European away day, and a Wembley semi final are hard to top. The extra buzz from chasing a Europa League place has pharmaceutically less impact. But, frankly, that's biology for you. So it is hard to drop below around 9

Which is why I raise an eyebrow at those who think this season is just a 7. A few more years of top ten finishes and I can see tens of thousands of current Albion fans walking off the job, muttering about mediocrity and lack of ambition. Sad really, because even Manchester United can count on 70 odd thousand turning up to support rather than just to tut. And Manchester United are not even a proper football club.

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The Grockle

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Sep 26, 2008
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Here (below) is our final league positions since I started going. What sort of score would you be giving from 83 to 2016?

Our league position at times means the mojo must have been down to negative number, plus we also won the square root of f*** all, and this presumably means the mojo could be measured in imaginary numbers ( a function of the square root of -1).

Yes, I accept that recency bias may justify a sigmoid scale where the amount of extra mojo felt at the top (and lost down at the bottom) is disproportionately lower than actual change in achievement, and that all the big mojo shift is when the hope is killing you as we bounce around between tiers 2 and 3.

But I'm more inclined towards a log scale. The Euphoria of 6th and a European away day, and a Wembley semi final are hard to top. The extra buzz from chasing a Europa League place has pharmaceutically less impact. But, frankly, that's biology for you. So it is hard to drop below around 9

Which is why I raise an eyebrow at those who think this season is just a 7. A few more years of top ten finishes and I can see tens of thousands of current Albion fans walking off the job, muttering about mediocrity and lack of ambition. Sad really, because even Manchester United can count on 70 odd thousand turning up to support rather than just to tut. And Manchester United are not even a proper football club.

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I like this as reminder of how we've been a bit rubbish for most of our history.

This is my 30th year of supporting the Albion and for around 20 of those we've been pretty terrible. If we can't score our 2nd best season in 125 years somewhere near a 10 I think we've all become a bit spoilt.
 


One Teddy Maybank

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Here (below) is our final league positions since I started going. What sort of score would you be giving from 83 to 2016?

Our league position at times means the mojo must have been down to negative number, plus we also won the square root of f*** all, and this presumably means the mojo could be measured in imaginary numbers ( a function of the square root of -1).

Yes, I accept that recency bias may justify a sigmoid scale where the amount of extra mojo felt at the top (and lost down at the bottom) is disproportionately lower than actual change in achievement, and that all the big mojo shift is when the hope is killing you as we bounce around between tiers 2 and 3.

But I'm more inclined towards a log scale. The Euphoria of 6th and a European away day, and a Wembley semi final are hard to top. The extra buzz from chasing a Europa League place has pharmaceutically less impact. But, frankly, that's biology for you. So it is hard to drop below around 9

Which is why I raise an eyebrow at those who think this season is just a 7. A few more years of top ten finishes and I can see tens of thousands of current Albion fans walking off the job, muttering about mediocrity and lack of ambition. Sad really, because even Manchester United can count on 70 odd thousand turning up to support rather than just to tut. And Manchester United are not even a proper football club.

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Good post, but the counter argument will always be that you can’t continue reflect on history, other than to learn from failures. The whole ‘look where we were’, is immaterial, other than we should be thankful to those past and present who did so much to save the club.

That period has gone. We are now I would say an established PL club, and should be looking forward. Our team now is clearly one of the best in our history and it is okay for supporters to be disappointed. I don’t begrudge any of those giving a ‘6’, because isn’t your ‘mojo’ a snapshot?

The comparison would be the most recent season(s). I think we could have done better and still voted 8….. mainly because I enjoyed Monday so much, if we lose at Spurs, I think the season will be a 6 or 7.
 




West Upper Seagull

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Oct 31, 2003
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Gave an 8 purely based on the hope we can secure 8th and there really is a chance of the other results going our way too. The threat of losing Mitoma is giving my mojo a serious wobble though I can’t lie !
 


West Upper Seagull

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Good post, but the counter argument will always be that you can’t continue reflect on history, other than to learn from failures. The whole ‘look where we were’, is immaterial, other than we should be thankful to those past and present who did so much to save the club.

That period has gone. We are now I would say an established PL club, and should be looking forward. Our team now is clearly one of the best in our history and it is okay for supporters to be disappointed. I don’t begrudge any of those giving a ‘6’, because isn’t your ‘mojo’ a snapshot?

The comparison would be the most recent season(s). I think we could have done better and still voted 8….. mainly because I enjoyed Monday so much, if we lose at Spurs, I think the season will be a 6 or 7.
This is spot on and echoes my feelings too. I’ve been going to the Albion since I was a kid in 1976 so have experienced all the ups and downs - was at the cup final in 83 and at Hereford in 97. While I will never forget where we’ve come from I don’t subscribe to the constant view from some that ‘we’ve become entitled and forgotten where we’ve come from’ when expressing extreme disappointment in results and performances. That view for me suggests that people are still happy to just settle for mid table security because of our past history. But TB has raised the clubs and my expectations by openly declaring that he wants silverware and for more European qualification - so my mojo and expectations is now on a new higher scale and driven by Tony’s ambitions and no longer based on where we’ve come from. If that is what TB is aiming for then that is the level I want us to now be performing to - we have to keep aiming higher otherwise we’d be in danger of slipping backwards.
 
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Good post, but the counter argument will always be that you can’t continue reflect on history, other than to learn from failures. The whole ‘look where we were’, is immaterial, other than we should be thankful to those past and present who did so much to save the club.

That period has gone. We are now I would say an established PL club, and should be looking forward. Our team now is clearly one of the best in our history and it is okay for supporters to be disappointed. I don’t begrudge any of those giving a ‘6’, because isn’t your ‘mojo’ a snapshot?

The comparison would be the most recent season(s). I think we could have done better and still voted 8….. mainly because I enjoyed Monday so much, if we lose at Spurs, I think the season will be a 6 or 7.
These are fair points, and I accept that I am promoting a counter argument to inject a bit of balance.
The pivot point is probably somewhere in between, and I do understand the @Guinness Boy perspective.
Perhaps it is my age. At 67 I want to enjoy all the nice things and not dwell on disappointments.
And when we are in the top half of the EPL, this is very easy for me. Very easy indeed.
For those under 30, the need to win a real trophy may be a burning obsession.
Especially now Palace have got one (albeit if you are under 30 your Palace hate is an unjustified confection)
And so I guess if you are locked into some sort of football ambition cycle equivalent to the
"I must, I must, I must increase my bust" exercise, popular among young women in the 1960s,
then I salute your Alex Fergissitude, and wish you all the best. All the best!

:wink:
 




Here (below) is our final league positions since I started going. What sort of score would you be giving from 83 to 2016?

Our league position at times means the mojo must have been down to negative number, plus we also won the square root of f*** all, and this presumably means the mojo could be measured in imaginary numbers ( a function of the square root of -1).

Yes, I accept that recency bias may justify a sigmoid scale where the amount of extra mojo felt at the top (and lost down at the bottom) is disproportionately lower than actual change in achievement, and that all the big mojo shift is when the hope is killing you as we bounce around between tiers 2 and 3.

But I'm more inclined towards a log scale. The Euphoria of 6th and a European away day, and a Wembley semi final are hard to top. The extra buzz from chasing a Europa League place has pharmaceutically less impact. But, frankly, that's biology for you. So it is hard to drop below around 9

Which is why I raise an eyebrow at those who think this season is just a 7. A few more years of top ten finishes and I can see tens of thousands of current Albion fans walking off the job, muttering about mediocrity and lack of ambition. Sad really, because even Manchester United can count on 70 odd thousand turning up to support rather than just to tut. And Manchester United are not even a proper football club.

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On that logic, the where we've come from etc etc it's 9/10 out of 10. But, in terms of this season, its 7 from me because we had the chance to win the cup and qualify for top 5. Just a few bad results when it really mattered/the pressure big games that we just couldn't do. I'm 58 and would love us to win a trophy like everyone else. It's a dream that is possible and it's Tony's dreams and hopes with where he's propelled us from. I seriously believe that next season we'll be better and challenging for Europe again perhaps taking that extra step with the experience gained from this season (Fabian's learning as well as our young crop of players improving). Keeping our big stars is important but I fear losing our Japanese winger if rumours are true.
 
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Flounce

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On that logic, the where we've come from etc etc it's 9/10 out of 10. But, in terms of this season, its 7 from me because we had the chance to win the cup and qualify for top 5. Just a few bad results when it really mattered/the pressure big games that we just couldn't do.
BUT we had some fecking memorable wins which were a bigger high, for me, than the shit performances (chucking points away) and messing up against shit teams were lows :shrug:

I am accepting of us choking when glory beckons too, it has happened for ever.
 


Iggle Piggle

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It's a solid 8 today. Football that means something is always a good day out even if it ultimately might end in disappointment.

The f***ing arsehole train driver who deliberately ensured I missed my connecting train has dropped it from a nine.
 






BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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Here (below) is our final league positions since I started going. What sort of score would you be giving from 83 to 2016?

Our league position at times means the mojo must have been down to negative number, plus we also won the square root of f*** all, and this presumably means the mojo could be measured in imaginary numbers ( a function of the square root of -1).

Yes, I accept that recency bias may justify a sigmoid scale where the amount of extra mojo felt at the top (and lost down at the bottom) is disproportionately lower than actual change in achievement, and that all the big mojo shift is when the hope is killing you as we bounce around between tiers 2 and 3.

But I'm more inclined towards a log scale. The Euphoria of 6th and a European away day, and a Wembley semi final are hard to top. The extra buzz from chasing a Europa League place has pharmaceutically less impact. But, frankly, that's biology for you. So it is hard to drop below around 9

Which is why I raise an eyebrow at those who think this season is just a 7. A few more years of top ten finishes and I can see tens of thousands of current Albion fans walking off the job, muttering about mediocrity and lack of ambition. Sad really, because even Manchester United can count on 70 odd thousand turning up to support rather than just to tut. And Manchester United are not even a proper football club.

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Clearly the 1-10 mojo scale is insufficient for this. The OP should be banned, covered on chocolate and have rice krispies thrown at them.

On a % scale I am happy to sit in the high 80s. The sheer positivity of entering into the 90s goes against everything I stand for and will not be done lightly and without therapy. This is how they get you, literally the hope that may kill me.

I ain't going out like that.
 


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On that logic, the where we've come from etc etc it's 9/10 out of 10. But, in terms of this season, its 7 from me because we had the chance to win the cup and qualify for top 5. Just a few bad results when it really mattered/the pressure big games that we just couldn't do. I'm 58 and would love us to win a trophy like everyone else. It's a dream that is possible and it's Tony's dreams and hopes with where he's propelled us from. I seriously believe that next season we'll be better and challenging for Europe again perhaps taking that extra step with the experience gained from this season (Fabian's learning as well as our young crop of players improving). Keeping our big stars is important but I fear losing our Japanese winger if rumours are true.
While I accept that I tried to justify myself using logic, in truth mojo has nothing to do with logic.
So one's mojo does not need to be justified.
In fact the more we justify it, the sillier it becomes.
Incidentally, how does one tell when one has got one's mojo working?
Does one need to be sittin' on the dock of a bay to see clearly, now the rain has gone?
Or is there a need to get health and safety involved?
:wink:
 






Napper

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Jul 9, 2003
24,751
Sussex
6 . The fact out bestb2 players likely to leave has me questioning the point a bit

What will be will be with Europe . Happy with 8th or 9th regardless really
 




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