Overrating Ulloa so much here. Proven Premiership players don't cost that much!
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Overrating Ulloa so much here. Proven Premiership players don't cost that much!
Papa Lazarou
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Depends who's buying. How much did Palace pay for that striker from Peterborough?
nwgull
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6.5m upfront, rising to 8.5m on extras such as avoiding relegation.
That means nothing. What Palace panic buy won't delude other teams on values. You could argue they brought the potential (significant age difference) but that does not justify that price yet lol. At the end of the season I could be proven wrong if he scores 10-15 PL goals. Well done to Peterborough I say.
Sergei's Celebration
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Worst assessment of a players value and worth ever (bar the others on this thread that also have Ulloa so low).
If Ulloa carries on his current form to Jan he'll have 15+ in the bag and will be worth 8-10m+ but that brings me to the point i made earlier...that is a monetary value placed on something that has greater worth. If we sell Ulloa for £8m we are missing out on the potential of £135m. Ulloa's worth is a chance to get to to the Prem and for that reason he will not be sold in January.
That's extremely accurate as it stands. Compare what other players are worth and asses potential improvement and investment. Can you see Ulloa improving further at his age? Probably, but only a little.
If his form continues THEN he gets worth more. Right now he hasn't got his 15 goals by January, so you can't value him towards 10 like some are.
Sergei's Celebration
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But you can't sell him till January so his value today is meaningless and i stand by the 5m being an undervaluation because players are sold on history, form and potential and you have not placed a value on potential.
Correct.
Another factor is the cost of wages - Ulloa is on a lot less than a 'proven Premiership player', so the total cost of signing him would be lower over the contract, even with a slightly higher transfer fee (the Eto'o to Chelsea deal being a good example of the opposite - proven player but low transfer fee because of v high wages, coming towards the end of his career etc)
Rich Suvner
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If we were simply interested in Ulloa as a commodity to sell for profit you may have a point that selling at c£4-5m made sense. But seeing as he is our major outlet for goals, you won't convince me that selling him makes any sense unless you can guarantee a replacement of equal quality and goals, at a smaller fee. So who is that in your opinion?
BensGrandad
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supaseagull
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Bearing in mind we bought Ulloa on a decent sized contract for £3.5 million, I would not expect to see him bought out of his contract for anything less than £7 Million. He is a proven goalscorer in England and Spain, and if any other strikers of that ilk are to be considered, then my valuation is probably pretty close to the mark.
However, Bridcutt may be different. Regardless of how highly WE rate him, he is really unproven in anything other than Poyet's slow build up, style of possession football. Therefore, bearing in mind his current injury problems, his role on the pitch and the length of his contract I would not expect him to be worth more than £2.5 million MAX.
I very much doubt that the club would accept ANY offer from a club with Poyet as manager, especially if he wants to take us to court and I'm sure this is the reason why any Court action talk has gone very quiet from him.
However, Bridcutt may be different. Regardless of how highly WE rate him, he is really unproven in anything other than Poyet's slow build up, style of possession football. Therefore, bearing in mind his current injury problems, his role on the pitch and the length of his contract I would not expect him to be worth more than £2.5 million MAX.
I very much doubt that the club would accept ANY offer from a club with Poyet as manager, especially if he wants to take us to court and I'm sure this is the reason why any Court action talk has gone very quiet from him.
BensGrandad
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I thought that Ulloa cost us £2m hence my value of £4m therefore our return doubling our outlay but if you are correct and we paid £3.5m then yes £7m would be nearer, again doubling our outlay.
I also think that any court action for unfair dismissal, cant see why it is court not an Industrial Tribunal, is irrelevant and would not affect anybody else offering him a job.
I also think that any court action for unfair dismissal, cant see why it is court not an Industrial Tribunal, is irrelevant and would not affect anybody else offering him a job.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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I love that people believe THEY know what a players valuation is.
It's near on impossible to guess. There's SO many variable factors which affect a players price that it makes it pointless to even guess....ESPECIALLY 4 months before we can even THINK of selling one.
Player's contract situation
player form
selling team position in league
selling team finances
selling teams need for replacements
The amount of buying teams interested.
The status of the buying teams (You push a better team for a higher fee)
The market at the time
The players willingness to stay (ie have they demanded a move).
The point at which negotiations take place (deadline day sees desperate to offload unwanted players or sign desperately needed players)
All these make it bascially impossible to value a player at any one time.
Also I always find it odd how people say "Oh I think he's worth £5m". You don't sell a player because they make a fair bid for him. You sell him because they have made you an offer you simply CANNOT refuse. That's the whole point. So a player's "value" is completely seperate to his selling fee. Andy Carroll for £35m the ultimate example.
It's near on impossible to guess. There's SO many variable factors which affect a players price that it makes it pointless to even guess....ESPECIALLY 4 months before we can even THINK of selling one.
Player's contract situation
player form
selling team position in league
selling team finances
selling teams need for replacements
The amount of buying teams interested.
The status of the buying teams (You push a better team for a higher fee)
The market at the time
The players willingness to stay (ie have they demanded a move).
The point at which negotiations take place (deadline day sees desperate to offload unwanted players or sign desperately needed players)
All these make it bascially impossible to value a player at any one time.
Also I always find it odd how people say "Oh I think he's worth £5m". You don't sell a player because they make a fair bid for him. You sell him because they have made you an offer you simply CANNOT refuse. That's the whole point. So a player's "value" is completely seperate to his selling fee. Andy Carroll for £35m the ultimate example.
brightonrock
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£2million.
FWIW there's a difference between a player's true value and his value to his club. Ulloa is probably worth 5-6m to the market (as one of the better strikers in the division) but double that to us (as our most potent goal threat). Bridcutt, whose contract is up sooner and in a position where the asking price is not as high, is probably only worth 2-3m to the market. 6 months ago I'd have said double that too - but now I'd say 3-4m tops, given our change of style and the emergence of ince/andrews.
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
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That wouldn't happen. Top flight clubs are not allowed to sign anybody, loan or perm and we are unlikely to sell him to any club outside of the Premier League or Spanish La Liga as he's worth too much to us and our chances of promotion. Selling Ulloa would simply be footballing suicide at the moment and would be in January too, strikers of his quality don't grow on trees and for every one you sign you go through many Sam Volkes and Barn door Billys.
BensGrandad
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If required that is so easy to overcome any club can get any player they want today if both clubs agree. Simple a loan until January 21st with an agreement to pay x amount for the player on January 1st when the window opens, problem solved. The rest of the post is correct but it is fun to have a view of a players value not knowing all the ins and out, and to read the differing opinions.
Premier League clubs cannot sign anyone on loan until Jan 1st.
Disagree. If you're talking about a like for like, I think we'd need double that to replace him quickly.
