What do you like most about our wonderful Tory Government?

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Good luck with that if mcdonnell has his way

Don't really care mate, planning on spending the lot. Kids can have me stupidly-priced flat

 

[beorhthelm]

I'm not Nibbles biggest fan but that really is a patronising response.

You understand this right?

yes, thats what i was aiming for.

I'll ignore the childish tone of your post and address the point I was making. The Tory's are hypocrites and liars.

the point made is that the author of the post and those supporting it fail to address the reality of economics. the deficit and debt would be of similar proportion regardless of who is in power, unless they make sweeping substantial cuts. Balls, remember him, policy was to reduce the deficit a bit slower. McDonnell's policy is to cease normal accountancy rules and government business, while investing more so adding to the debt (however well meaning). its apparent you and many others dont understand this. Osborne has done naff all to help the economy, but neither has he caused the debt mountain.

or show me where i'm wrong, where there is a policy that would address the numbers i put in the first paragraph.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Good rant.

Having thought about it, it wasn't a rant. I am going to restyle it "reasoned polemic".

 

[wellquickwoody]

Hardly. To be well off compared to 99% of the planet does not mean there is much Champagne being quaffed. If you want an honest insight to my own consumption then it involves taking cans of supermarket beer (c.50p a can) on the train to avoid paying £4+ a pint at The Amex...!!!!

In 2014 the top 1% of wealth was owned by people with an average of $2.7 million. If you are in that group I would call you a champagne socialist, so should I call you that or not?

 

[jgmcdee]

In 2014 the top 1% of wealth was owned by people with an average of $2.7 million. If you are in that group I would call you a champagne socialist, so should I call you that or not?

Latest report puts it at $759,990. Still a chunk of money, of course. Perhaps being in the top 10% ($68,800) is more realistic for the majority of UK adults.

https://www.credit-suisse.com/uk/en...n-2015-underlying-trends-remain-positive.html

 

[wellquickwoody]

Latest report puts it at $759,990. Still a chunk of money, of course. Perhaps being in the top 10% ($68,800) is more realistic for the majority of UK adults.

https://www.credit-suisse.com/uk/en...n-2015-underlying-trends-remain-positive.html

Tough call between the two I guess

https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2015-01-19/richest-1-will-own-more-all-rest-2016

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

In 2014 the top 1% of wealth was owned by people with an average of $2.7 million. If you are in that group I would call you a champagne socialist, so should I call you that or not?

You are being a bit of a twit.

 

[Danny-Boy]

yes, thats what i was aiming for.



the point made is that the author of the post and those supporting it fail to address the reality of economics. the deficit and debt would be of similar proportion regardless of who is in power, unless they make sweeping substantial cuts. Balls, remember him, policy was to reduce the deficit a bit slower. McDonnell's policy is to cease normal accountancy rules and government business, while investing more so adding to the debt (however well meaning). its apparent you and many others dont understand this. Osborne has done naff all to help the economy, but neither has he caused the debt mountain.

or show me where i'm wrong, where there is a policy that would address the numbers i put in the first paragraph.

As far as I can see, Old McDonnell thinks he recreating the USA "New Deal" of the 1930's. The Tories are alleging he's replicating the initial fiscal mistakes of the Weimar Republic.

Could be a big demand for wheelbarrows, come 2020..

 

[Nibble]

yes, thats what i was aiming for.



the point made is that the author of the post and those supporting it fail to address the reality of economics. the deficit and debt would be of similar proportion regardless of who is in power, unless they make sweeping substantial cuts. Balls, remember him, policy was to reduce the deficit a bit slower. McDonnell's policy is to cease normal accountancy rules and government business, while investing more so adding to the debt (however well meaning). its apparent you and many others dont understand this. Osborne has done naff all to help the economy, but neither has he caused the debt mountain.

or show me where i'm wrong, where there is a policy that would address the numbers i put in the first paragraph.

Thank you for making my point for me. He claims he has helped. He hasn't.

Do you understand this?

 

[mickybha]

Are you saying the £35.00 per week was your sole income? Then, if that is the case, you would understandably be annoyed after paying in for so long. I am not sure that the final highlighted para can be put at any politician's door -you might be annoyed about the 19 days and your brother (was he younger or older?) but if you are not entitled, then that is the case, surely. Or do you think that paying in for a long period alone entitles you to special treatment? And if you do, then everyone can claim extra benefits by the same token.

Yes that's it 35 quid nothing else available, well that's not quite true i did get to page twelve of the ( i kid you not ) 30 page application form for council tax relief before it became clear that my wife's part time job and the fact that my working son lives with us disqualified us from that avenue
Your right to say if I'm not entitled then that is just the case, but then surly that statement just proves my original point that you have to admire this government for convincing ordinary working people to give up what we had and using the sponging tiny minority as an example to do it
And that convincing has also ultimately led to the nightmare of no viable alternative at the poles with to the labour party now lurching to the far left in response

All i can say is don't get sick don't have an accident don't lose your job and look forward to the 70 year old roofer the comes to repair your roof in a few years time
caring society my arse

 

[beorhthelm]

As far as I can see, Old McDonnell thinks he recreating the USA "New Deal" of the 1930's. The Tories are alleging he's replicating the initial fiscal mistakes of the Weimar Republic.

he is trying to do everything without recognising the contradictions or consequences. he wants to stop corporate welfare, while supporting Redcar; he wants to invest in infrastructure projects while reducing the debt; he wants to run a budget surplus but not cut anything (no, wait he doesnt want to do that anymore). if "peoples QE" would work why has no one tried it before? well they have, and it doesn't.

 

[beorhthelm]

Thank you for making my point for me. He claims he has helped. He hasn't.

Do you understand this?

yes. that's what i said.

 

[Stato]

The only thing I can think of to like about them is that, unlike Labour (Chuka Umunna) and UKIP (Farage), they don't seem to have any celebrity Palace fans.

 

[vegster]

What do you like most about our wonderful Tory Government?

I love the way David Cameron can cut Income Support and Disability allowances and yet proclaim the Tory party as the party of working people without a trace of irony or embarrassment.

 

[Hastings gull]

Yes that's it 35 quid nothing else available, well that's not quite true i did get to page twelve of the ( i kid you not ) 30 page application form for council tax relief before it became clear that my wife's part time job and the fact that my working son lives with us disqualified us from that avenue
Your right to say if I'm not entitled then that is just the case, but then surly that statement just proves my original point that you have to admire this government for convincing ordinary working people to give up what we had and using the sponging tiny minority as an example to do itAnd that convincing has also ultimately led to the nightmare of no viable alternative at the poles with to the labour party now lurching to the far left in response

All i can say is don't get sick don't have an accident don't lose your job and look forward to the 70 year old roofer the comes to repair your roof in a few years time
caring society my arse

With respect, I can not fathom out at all what you are saying. If you are not entitled, that this is it, surely. What do you mean when you write that the government is causing people to give up what we had -it may be me, admittedly, but I cannot see your logic.

 

[Greyrun]

Big reduction in homes where no one works.

 

[mickybha]

With respect, I can not fathom out at all what you are saying. If you are not entitled, that this is it, surely. What do you mean when you write that the government is causing people to give up what we had -it may be me, admittedly, but I cannot see your logic.

simple we- WERE - all entitled and now we're- NOT - ....... turkeys voting for Christmas

 

[beorhthelm]

Your right to say if I'm not entitled then that is just the case, but then surly that statement just proves my original point that you have to admire this government for convincing ordinary working people to give up what we had

what is it that you think we had? i'm pretty sure this and most other basic benefits have not gone down over the past 5 years. some around the margins maybe withdrawn, merged, etc. (im also sure ESA is twice that, so maybe theres something more to this).

 

[looney]

I honestly thought that Cameron had a shred of decency about him,

I didn't lol. I expected him to slither about on his belly like every other snake.

This government have been a huge disappointment, .

Bit early to call it imo, 6 months? I like the fact the Eugenics/exsterminate the disabled bill has bit the dust. I'll reserve judgement on this bunch of inbred pig shagging croney worshipping shower of shit for a few more years. Iam being kind here.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I rest my case
I have worked all my adult life 45 years of paying my taxes and national insurance never once in all that time claiming any benefits what so ever
I wont go into to much detail of my employment but through initially an illness and then a combination of NHS waiting followed by having to jump through a series of red tape hoops i am now thankfully returning to my employment after seven months off
How about living for seven months on £35 a WEEK (esa) employment support allowance
And then to rub salt into the wounds after two months off i needed 2 teeth extracted and as i was in receipt of e.s.a i was exempt from the £18 dental fee.. WRONG!! six weeks later i get a letter telling me i was fined £100 plus the original £18 for wrongly claiming free dental treatment, apparently i was on the wrong type of e.s.a contributions based and not earnings based.
I was 60 in May this year unfortunate on my part, because had my birthday been a mere 19 days later i would become entitled to my old age pension at 65 now i have to work another year till I'm 66, ok there are a lot who will be worse off in the coming years on that score but as i said 45 years of national insurance contributions only to have £8000 at todays rates stolen from me
And don't get me started on the free bus pass(not that i would ever use it) or indeed the winter fuel payment again entitled at the age of 60... WRONG.. those damn 19 days again, but even more annoying when i have a brother who has been getting it for five years >>> oh well "were all in this together".. WRONG ..were in it and your getting us out of it even though its in our DNA to do what were doing
ordinary working people voting Tory is like turkeys voting for Christmas

p.s
not a lefty just an ordinary middle of the road citizen

There should be Statutory Sick pay which all employers pay, which is £88.45 a week. Sick pay has usually been left to employers in the past and I was fortunate enough to be employed in jobs where it was paid.
https://www.gov.uk/employers-sick-pay/entitlement