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West Ham to move into the Olympic Stadium in 2016
- Thread starter Icy Gull
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Because back in the 1960s when I was growing up there was no replica shirt market. But when I was a boy everybody in my class supported a big team, whilst most (not all) would also add that they 'supported Brighton as well. Supporting a big team is not some Sky-induced modern phenomena. Nor are financially-struggling small clubs come to that.
beorhthelm
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if that were strictly true, given Orients historic form, they wouldnt have had any support for decades as kids went to the better Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham. theres a strong inheritance role in football supporting, most teams outside the top dozen or so rely on it.
Cat Fish
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Yes you are clueless let me break it down for you. I will type slowly so you can understand it
"WHU: have benefitted from the taxpayer to the tune of £60m"
West Ham are renting the stadium for 28 days a year - they have no control or income from what happens to the stadium on any other day. Concerts, World Cup Rugby, Athletics etc. They are paying £15 million and £2million a year for 28 days use.
"They have been promised/have received multi-millions for their OS tenancy from Newham Council"
Newhan Council are investing £40 million in the Stadium - nothing to do with West HAm as they will get that money back with interest
BJ's mob & Central Govt. agencies; will sell Upton Park (against many fans' wishes) & gain multi-millions from the development
No they wont West Ham will as its their stadium
"but presumably will keep all the associated commercial revenue"
No they wont - all catering, naming rights etc will be shared with the government ,
"greater tkt income, & massive TV & PL riches"
Its not their fault they are currently in teh Premier League - fail to see what Premier League money has to do with it as they could be in teh Championship next season and then the deal wouldnt look so great would it?
"initially agreed in principle to share the ground with Leyton Orient"
They never did this - it was part of their bid to be the sole football club
"but then they decide nearby club LOFC shouldn't have even a tiny slice of the pie so they just help themselves to the booty on offer"
HA what rubbish - Leyton Orient want it all for free - Explain how that is fair?
promise to give thousands of free tkts away to local kids when in residence & further destroy any vital new support for lower league & skint Orient
Thats up to West HAm how they choose to ticket their games - Leyton Orient have thousands of free seats at every game so they could do they same if they wished
You need to be better informed Twinkletoes - West HAm whether you like it or not was the best deal for the taxpayer - Yes they got a great deal for themselves but you cannot blame them for that. Blame Livingstone Jowell etc.
Finally the ironic thing is if Barry Hearn and Daniel Levy hadnt blocked the original deal then West Ham would have purchased the stadium as it is and would have had to foot the bill for all the conversion costs!
Cat Fish
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Agreed
Twinkle Toes
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Sounds to me like you have a personal financial interest in Wet Sham robbing the OS from the nation. Shame you don't clear off to their grubby message boards if you feel so compelled to spin the wonderful benefits of the latest Porno Twins' scam. By the look of this thread, I don't think I'm alone in thinking your views on this matter fly in the face of the opinion of the overwhelming majority of Brighton & Hove Albion supporters. I'm done with you're rudeness & blinkered rhetoric.
Cat Fish
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I wish I had!
Blinkered? My responses are based on fact not blind hatred as yours seems to be?
I would also say its not a overwhelmong majority but I am happy to have my own opinions anyway and dont need to count fors and against to check Im going with teh majority view.
Some direct questions for you
Should Leyton Orient be allowed to use the stadium for free and not contributing to rent or conversion costs?
If they are is this not state aid which you seem so dead against.
Should Leyton Orient be allowed to move in to another clubs borough which is what they would be doing if the moved to the Olympic Stadium?
If West Ham do not rent the stadium what do you propose is a financially viable alternative?
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Twinkle Toes
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OK, I'll bite just one more time. No I don't think Leyton Orient should use the stadium for free, but I think there should have been a fundamental commitment to ensuring both West Ham & LO could have use of the stadium for football matches. As I understand it, there was a provision for the aforementioned outcome to occur (& Hearn was understandably very keen to take full advantage of the possibilities), but Gold & Sullivan didn't appear to fancy sharing so they ploughed on with achieving their own objectives.
I appreciate that a large amount of state funding would be have been necessary to ensure any kind of 'Legacy' for the Olympic Stadium - particularly after the almost criminal level of foresight about the Stadium's post-Games use: but why should ONE Premier Division Football Club be allowed to benefit like this, particularly when their commercial gains completely outweigh that of the collective public funding & absolutely no transparency about what Gold & Sullivan plan to do with the money from the sale of Upton Park? If people can't smell a rat, it's about time questions were asked asap!
Cat Fish
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Twinkletoes its simple -
The Olympic Stadium is in the Borough of Newham - There is one professional football club in Newham. No prizes for guessing who that club is. Football clubs cant move into anothers Bourough without permission - its actually Orient who would be breaking football rules NOT West Ham.
West Ham do not want to share with Leyton Orient and there are many reasons. One its inviting another club into their borough which is frankly stupid. Secondly and probably the most important reason is the Barry Hearn hates West Ham and has tried to prevent them moving in at every turn. He wanted Spurs to move there. This shows the hypocrisy in the man - He says West Ham in their back yard will ruin Orient but having Spurs and West Ham in their back yard is ok!
West Ham bid as sole football club
Orient bid proposing to share with West Ham. If it had been financially better for both clubs to have shared it would have been given the green light. Teh reality was Orient wante to move in for free and pay nothing towards conversion.
You didnt answer the last question
If West Ham do not rent the stadium what do you propose is a financially viable alternative?
If West Ham can afford the millions for a clown like Carroll they can pay for the stadium changes themselves.
Cat Fish
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That may be true - be surprised if they actually buy him though! Think he has only scored 2 or 3 all season - Liverpool are stuck with him!
Blue Valkyrie
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As long as West Ham don't pocket all the match day income from catering, and the government/council get a major chunk, then this probably is the best deal all round.
Will be genuinely interesting to see if the behind the goal views are actually any good after the conversion.
Will be genuinely interesting to see if the behind the goal views are actually any good after the conversion.
Cat Fish
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Agreed - You cant argue that West Ham havent got a good deal out of it. The issue is though its the planners fault for not including a football legacy in the first place. West Ham offered to pay £100 million towards the cost of the stadium if they could make it theirs afterwards and have a say in the design. Livingstone said a football club would never play in the stadium. He is a prize **** as is Coe, Jowell and the others responsible. As I said earlier - The Birds Nest is now being used as a segway race track - thats the stark reality of not having a decent tennant in the Olympic Stadium. The government will be giving a hugh sigh of relief that they have got this White Elephant off their hands.
West Ham will need to offer huge incentives to attract kids (£1 for all under 18s?), which will kill future Orient support. Spurs wouldn't need to.
You're so biased and blinkered it's unbelievable. So West Ham only get the stadium for 28 days: so there can be a concert or athletics meet the day before and after, and West Ham will move all the seats etc on the Saturday morning before their game, and put it all back as it was after the game? Obviously not. But anyway, it's not relevant how many days they can play there, they're getting the use of a huge expensive stadium cheaper than anyone else in the country can.Spurs were offering a better deal to the taxpayers.
Cat Fish
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Spurs were offering a better deal to the taxpayers.
Spurs didnt bid for it you buffoon - they wanted to knock it down and rebuild their own stadium without a running track and once they were told the track had to stay then they didnt retender. Everyone was entitled to bid for the use of the Olympic Stadium. You me anyone and they only received 4 bids. 3 Were obviously unworkable leaving just West Ham. People on here a clueless.
West ham 28 days Public the rest.
Cat Fish
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Spurs were offering a better deal to the taxpayers.
You dont need to move the seats for a concert unless teh band are going to be running around the track!
The seats will retract for athletics which is in teh summer when the football season isnt on - fool!
That is a bid. They planned to develop Crystal Palace.
So who were the 4 bids - given that you've just stated that Spurs didn't bid.
Cat Fish
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Spurs are a North London Club - If Brighton had Palace move into Brighton we would be up in arms. And before you start about Orient - West Ham are the only club in Newham. The Olympic Stadium is in Newham and all they are doing is renting it for 28 days - whats the problem?
Cat Fish
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Look - let me explain - Spurs bid and West HAm won - Spurs challenged the process and everyone had to rebid. Spurs didnt rebid!