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We cannot sack hyypia - fact







seagulls4ever

New member
Oct 2, 2003
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I'm assuming from the above that you have info from someone at the club?

As to the first bit, Poyet was unable start his job at Sunderland until legal proceedings were out of the way with BHA. No more or less mysterious than that.

Maybe Poyet was advised by his lawyers that he had no chance of winning a case against the club, and so better to withdraw legal proceedings?

I don't have any info from someone at the club. What I have stated is in the public domain. Do you to be making the claims you are? More likely you're just letting your pro-Poyet bias get the better of you - again.

Don't see that as any indication of the strength of either sides case - the club didn't receive ANY compensation either.

Erm, where is the precedent for a club to receive compensation after they sack a manager?! Clubs get compensation for managers when they allow an under-contract manager to leave for another team and agree a compensation package with that team (not the manager). In this instance there was no need to allow Poyet to leave for another team because he no longer worked for us, and as such, he was free to do as he wished.
 


Creaky

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Mar 26, 2013
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Hookwood - Nr Horley
Erm, where is the precedent for a club to receive compensation after they sack a manager?! Clubs get compensation for managers when they allow an under-contract manager to leave for another team and agree a compensation package with that team (not the manager). In this instance there was no need to allow Poyet to leave for another team because he no longer worked for us, and as such, he was free to do as he wished.

This wasn't a simple case of a club sacking a manager for poor performance or whatever but claiming that the manager breached his contract by behaving in a manner that amounted to gross misconduct. As such the club were perfectly entitled to demand compliance with the contract in terms of compensation.

Easy to ask for a precedent - I can't think of another case dealt with in the same way as the GP dismissal was.
 


DavidinSouthampton

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Jan 3, 2012
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Suspend him for misuse of work email or something.

Surely he's looked at some smut on his work smartphone at some point?

And find yourself in court again for a probably justified constructive dismissal claim? Why not!
 


DavidinSouthampton

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Jan 3, 2012
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This wasn't a simple case of a club sacking a manager for poor performance or whatever but claiming that the manager breached his contract by behaving in a manner that amounted to gross misconduct. As such the club were perfectly entitled to demand compliance with the contract in terms of compensation.

Easy to ask for a precedent - I can't think of another case dealt with in the same way as the GP dismissal was.

I have had a conversation in the comparatively recent past with a senior partner in a law-firm in Southampton who specialises in employment law who confirmed that the Seagulls/Poyet case was absolutely ground-breaking, and was the first time a club had ever tried to "do it properly". He was saying it with some admiration.
 




HantsSeagull

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Aug 17, 2011
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Caught in a Riptide
there are a lot of people on here who know dick all about employment law. equally there are a lot of people who know dick all about how football managers are employed and 'sacked'.

of course the Finn can be 'sacked'. there is a legal way to do it without compensation (a la Poyet) or there is the 'you are relieved of your duties and here is a wedge of cash to shut you up - please sign here' way (nearly every other football manager).

i can only hope that Bloom is waiting for a trigger in the Finn's contract (i.e. in the bottom 3 at xmas) so he can sack him without compo.
 


jonny.rainbow

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Oct 29, 2005
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there are a lot of people on here who know dick all about employment law. equally there are a lot of people who know dick all about how football managers are employed and 'sacked'.

of course the Finn can be 'sacked'. there is a legal way to do it without compensation (a la Poyet) or there is the 'you are relieved of your duties and here is a wedge of cash to shut you up - please sign here' way (nearly every other football manager).

i can only hope that Bloom is waiting for a trigger in the Finn's contract (i.e. in the bottom 3 at xmas) so he can sack him without compo.

There are also a lot of people who know 'dick all' about using capital letters after full stops.
 






8ace

Banned
Jul 21, 2003
23,811
Brighton
Most managers that are "sacked" are not really sacked like you or I would be.
Micky Adams, Russel Slade, Mark McGhee were all payed off part or all their remaining contracts.
 


B.W.

New member
Jul 5, 2003
13,666
A well thought out & completely accurate post......

No it isn't, as has already been pointed out by other posters...
 






mona

The Glory Game
Jul 9, 2003
5,471
High up on the South Downs.
I can't understand how an intelligent man like Tony Bloom could be so impressed by Sami Hyypia at an interview. Surely someone like Chris Powell would have come across as brighter and more dynamic.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,940
Bloom's made it far more difficult for himself to cut his losses with his statement in the Argus on 12th November that 'he expects the Finn to be at the club "for many years to come"'

http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/11595001.Tony_Bloom__Sami_Hyypia_is_here_to_stay/

Will the chairman risk an embarrassing U-turn that calls his judgement into question? Sincerely hope so, for his own sake as much as anyone's.

how often do we see a manager binned soon after a vote of confidence from the club owner? often enough to joke when it occurs that they're off. so i dont think its any more difficult and only mildly embarrassing. playing in league 1 will be more difficult and embarrassing.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
72,158
how often do we see a manager binned soon after a vote of confidence from the club owner? often enough to joke when it occurs that they're off.

For sure. But, rightly or wrongly, we tend to have far more faith in our owner, and maybe higher expectations, seeing as how he's patently a fan same as us. Plus he appears to be a highly shrewd and successful non-bonkers businessman, so not inclined to pratfalls.
 






B.W.

New member
Jul 5, 2003
13,666
Bloom will not sack Hyypia even if he takes the club down to league one. We can rant amd rave all we want no change is going to happen.

Then Tony is a fool, which he isn't.
 




Not Andy Naylor

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Dec 12, 2007
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Seven Dials
Even allowing for the relatively long-drawn-out process of Poyet's dismissal, I'm struck by the contrast between the rush to get rid of one of the best managers in our history and the patience being shown to one of the worst (going purely by results).
 






Gary1

Active member
Oct 25, 2013
269
Bloom will not sack Hyypia even if he takes the club down to league one. We can rant amd rave all we want no change is going to happen.
How do you know that. Always amazes me that people speak with such conviction on things. Is it a way of making people think that you are "in the know".
 


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