[Misc] University research on the influence of Andrew Tate on masculinity

[dwayne]

Done.
I know one young man who is smart, thoughtful, non aggressive and yet feels that Tate's messaging is 'useful and helpful ' to some/many men. I have trouble squaring that view with the person I know. (I dislike Tate's messaging intensely!)

Yer I think Tate does come out with some ok-ish stuff...its good to challenge the establishment....a lot of the hate directed towards him is down to him deploying rage bait sound bites eg women can't drive. Some of the stuff he talks about is absolute drivel though.

Most of the people on this thread won't have actually watched him in long form, the majority of people have only seen snippets , read stuff online or in the papers.

 

[raymondo]

Yer I think Tate does come out with some ok-ish stuff...its good to challenge the establishment....a lot of the hate directed towards him is down to him deploying rage bait sound bites eg women can't drive. Some of the stuff he talks about is absolute drivel though.

Most of the people on this thread won't have actually watched him in long form, the majority of people have only seen snippets , read stuff online or in the papers.

Yes, I think the person I know takes the video snippets that help him with his own self esteem (I don't know what issues he feels), and turns a blind eye, or is in denial about Tate's aggressive misogynistic statements and actions. Folk can be complex.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yer I think Tate does come out with some ok-ish stuff...its good to challenge the establishment....a lot of the hate directed towards him is down to him deploying rage bait sound bites eg women can't drive. Some of the stuff he talks about is absolute drivel though.

Most of the people on this thread won't have actually watched him in long form, the majority of people have only seen snippets , read stuff online or in the papers.

What had he said which ”okay-ish” and isn’t “drivel”?

Also, has anyone actually made any significant financial gains from his The Real World online university? This seems to be the cornerstone of his wealth, but I’m not aware on anyone making money from this. Seems like he’s selling pipe-dreams to gullible and vulnerable people.

 

[dwayne]

What had he said which ”okay-ish” and isn’t “drivel”?

Also, has anyone actually made any significant financial gains from his The Real World online university? This seems to be the cornerstone of his wealth, but I’m not aware on anyone making money from this. Seems like he’s selling pipe-dreams to gullible and vulnerable people.

You get general vibe of the guy here. This is a recent video since he got free



I think he's funny and quite compelling I can see why kids listen to him. But his views on women not working etc are from the dark ages (not entirely sure he says what he means though).

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Agree with a few points made here. I'm no Tate fan and I doubt many on here are. There are though, loads of teenage boys who listen to him and like what he has to say. That's where you need to get under the bonnet.

Obviously media is a lot different from when I grew up but I personally think he is filling the void with the lack of "hero" type characters that knocked about in my childhood film (such as a Han Solo, Maverick or Arnie). They are exposed to his messaging which is lot worse than "I know" " I feel the need for speed" and "I'll be back"

Toxic masculinity and being masculine have been mixed up the process.

 

[Eeyore]

Yer I think Tate does come out with some ok-ish stuff...its good to challenge the establishment....a lot of the hate directed towards him is down to him deploying rage bait sound bites eg women can't drive. Some of the stuff he talks about is absolute drivel though.

Most of the people on this thread won't have actually watched him in long form, the majority of people have only seen snippets , read stuff online or in the papers.

My point would be that if I placed 100 quotes from Adolf Hitler in front of you, deliberately omitting anything that related to supremacy, race and/or genocidal tendencies, you may find that you agreed with many. In fact you may even agree with the majority of them. This is because the human character is so complex in its traits and understandings.

And that's the problem with Andrew Tate. He may have valid opinions, but they have no more value than anyone on NSC. They are only well known because they have reach. A downside of us all being our own broadcasters now. I call it Four Four Two Syndrome. Named after the annual league predictions that cause such heated argument among hundreds of thousands of people who forget that it was likely just a small group of people, or even just one, putting a table together over a few pints after work.

The age of the 'influencer' is one of confusion for me. What credentials do these people have ? Mostly none. With Tate it's all a bit circular. He made his living through this. But in reality, he is just a shallow person who is invested in ego and wealth whilst forgetting how the king and the pawn go back in the same box.

I have heard him talk, his denials, his clever and careful phrasing when the cameras are on him. Folk talk about kids needing identity. They already have an identity- it's called humanity. Yet it gets circular again here. They feel they need identity because they are told they need identity. And this theory is now entering UK politics too. Strange times.