UKIP are now a parliamentary party

[Pretty pink fairy]

...Valuable input again fairy..

thanks dave
regards
DR

 

[daveinprague]

Yes, I know that - torn between giving him the benefit of the doubt or enough rope to hang himself, actually!

What's with this, 'Regards DR' on every post, by the way?

Dont be torn. This party has a consistant record of racism, homophobia, mysogeny, ****wittery.......I should hang myself for noticing? haha

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Dont be torn. This party has a consistant record of racism, homophobia, mysogeny, ****wittery.......I should hang myself for noticing? haha

you only see what you want to see, spec savers are still doing deals you know
regards
DR

 

[GT49er]

Just being polite
regards
DR

OK. I thought it looked a bit odd, but fair enough - cheers!
Yours faithfully
GR

 

[GT49er]

OK. I thought it looked a bit odd, but fair enough - cheers!
Yours faithfully
GR

Sorry, the friggin' smiley was supposed to wink!

 

[GT49er]

Dont be torn. This party has a consistant record of racism, homophobia, mysogeny, ****wittery.......I should hang myself for noticing? haha

This party? Oh, the Tories, OK.


Bless........

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I am white and Anglo Saxon, so very welcome

Silly comment, when I want to have a sensible debate. I'm sure they didn't just let you walk in to Australia without being able to prove you had some skills first and where there is a need. What is so wrong in applying the same formula to people coming from the EU.

 

[BadFish]

Silly comment, when I want to have a sensible debate. I'm sure they didn't just let you walk in to Australia without being able to prove you had some skills first and where there is a need. What is so wrong in applying the same formula to people coming from the EU.

The fact that you are a member of the EU and it is an organisation that allows the free movement of people between its member states.

I think Britain is in desperate need of the in/out referendum to give people the chance to say once and for all if they want to be part of Europe or not. The losing camp will then have to like it lump it, but the word of the people will have been spoken. Once the decision has been made we should stop flirting round the edges of the EU and either embrace it fully or leave. If we can embrace it fully we can sort out the problems from within as best we can.

Either way it will stop people moaning all the time.

IN answer to your original question I married an Aussie and so was allowed to move here on a spouse visa.



An

 

[Deleted member 22389]

The fact that you are a member of the EU and it is an organisation that allows the free movement of people between its member states.

I think Britain is in desperate need of the in/out referendum to give people the chance to say once and for all if they want to be part of Europe or not. The losing camp will then have to like it lump it, but the word of the people will have been spoken. Once the decision has been made we should stop flirting round the edges of the EU and either embrace it fully or leave. If we can embrace it fully we can sort out the problems from within as best we can.

Either way it will stop people moaning all the time.

IN answer to your original question I married an Aussie and so was allowed to move here on a spouse visa.

An

Thanks for answering. Fully in for me means taking the Euro as well, I don't think the people who are Pro EU would take that in a million years. When we finally get a referendum, adopting the Euro would possibly be one consiquence of closer union, but just like the Scottish Independance vote none of this would be mentioned, and it would be more scaremongering about peoples jobs than anything else.

If the vote is not to get out, I would have to accept that because people would have hopefully had their say on matters.

As for Australia, it is always mentioned they have a much tighter immigration policy than us, I just wish people wouldn't say it was racist, xenophobic and all the other rubbish I hear.

 

[BadFish]

Thanks for answering. Fully in for me means taking the Euro as well, I don't think the people who are Pro EU would take that in a million years. When we finally get a referendum, adopting the Euro would possibly be one consiquence of closer union, but just like the Scottish Independance vote none of this would be mentioned, and it would be more scaremongering about peoples jobs than anything else.

If the vote is not to get out, I would have to accept that because people would have hopefully had their say on matters.

As for Australia, it is always mentioned they have a much tighter immigration policy than us, I just wish people wouldn't say it was racist, xenophobic and all the other rubbish I hear.

What makes you think Australia's immigration policies are not racist or xenophobic

Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that Australias policies are racist and xenohpbic because they are tighter. But it is hard to argue that historically at least the policies have not been racist or xenophobic.

Having tighter immigration controls doesn't make you racist by definition but is sure makes it easier to be so.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Milibland introduced green taxes so that the UK would meet the EU targets of reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

Oh I know that and the fact that he now says those prices are too high because of the energy companies rather than him shows he's either rather forgetful ( which we know he is after recent happenings ) or playing the electorate as fools. Two other key words in your post "EU targets" - nectar to a UKIP campaign !

 

[Return of the Rev]

What makes you think Australia's immigration policies are not racist or xenophobic

Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that Australias policies are racist and xenohpbic because they are tighter. But it is hard to argue that historically at least the policies have not been racist or xenophobic.

Having tighter immigration controls doesn't make you racist by definition but is sure makes it easier to be so.

What if the immigrants are racist what do we do then

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What makes you think Australia's immigration policies are not racist or xenophobic

Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that Australias policies are racist and xenohpbic because they are tighter. But it is hard to argue that historically at least the policies have not been racist or xenophobic.

Having tighter immigration controls doesn't make you racist by definition but is sure makes it easier to be so.

I've heard it all now ,
You and dave the comedy geniuses on NSC, have a read through what you posted again
regards
DR

 

[Soulman]

What makes you think Australia's immigration policies are not racist or xenophobic

Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that Australias policies are racist and xenohpbic because they are tighter. But it is hard to argue that historically at least the policies have not been racist or xenophobic.

Having tighter immigration controls doesn't make you racist by definition but is sure makes it easier to be so.

Maybe Aus politicians are doing the best for their citizens, just maybe they are being sensible and not the tired old cliches of racist and xenophobic which you and others just trot out. Well done for getting the word racist in your post 4 times.

 

[cunning fergus]

The fact that you are a member of the EU and it is an organisation that allows the free movement of people between its member states.

I think Britain is in desperate need of the in/out referendum to give people the chance to say once and for all if they want to be part of Europe or not. The losing camp will then have to like it lump it, but the word of the people will have been spoken. Once the decision has been made we should stop flirting round the edges of the EU and either embrace it fully or leave. If we can embrace it fully we can sort out the problems from within as best we can.

Either way it will stop people moaning all the time.

IN answer to your original question I married an Aussie and so was allowed to move here on a spouse visa.



An

Not just the British, now the unelected technocrats are starting to boss the democratically elected Govt about in France.........

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/06/uk-eu-budget-france-idUKKCN0HV0M520141006

How delicious........what price the 6th Republic?

 

[GreersElbow]

I cannot speak for the party but I'm still confident Miliband will be PM come next May.

I can't say I agree. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the case. I think it'll all depend on the Lib Dems again, because I can't see there being another absolute majority. The Lib dems got a lot of stick for forming a coalition with the Tories, jumping ship to Labour will once again make everyone question the Lib Dems, could potentially ruin the party as the members begin to desert the party.

That said, it also depends on UKIP's election strategy which from their rhetoric as of late, means targeting Labour. Thursday's by election should send signals that something needs to change in the Labour party. If Labour fail to recognise that, I cannot see Miliband being PM.

On a non-serious discussion note. I dread to think of Miliband as our leader, when has done so poorly as he has done leading his own party.

Not just the British, now the unelected technocrats are starting to boss the democratically elected Govt about in France.........

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/06/uk-eu-budget-france-idUKKCN0HV0M520141006

How delicious........what price the 6th Republic?

Admittedly, I can't say I can find fault with what they're asking the French to do. The French, so pro-EU and federalist are the ones who appear to be dragging the EU down due to its failed Socialist economic policies that I think for the sake of the continent, we need to start bullying the French again into action.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Admittedly, I can't say I can find fault with what they're asking the French to do. The French, so pro-EU and federalist are the ones who appear to be dragging the EU down due to its failed Socialist economic policies that I think for the sake of the continent, we need to start bullying the French again into action.

I can see both sides. The French government was democratically elected by the people of France and why the hell should unelected bureaucrats be able to tell that elected government what they can or can't do ? Or even to threaten to fine them ? Personally, if I were the French government, I'd just ignore the threats and if fined just deduct the value of the fine plus a 10% admin fee from their payments into the EU coffers.

On the other hand the French were stupid enough to adopt the Euro and so need to be bound by the rules of the Eurozone. Once again it highlights how absurd the idea that "one size fits all" is. The people that pointed this out when the Euro was being created were told they were anti-EU, wrong and nutters. Much the same insults that are hurled at those of us wanting out of the EU currently. Thankfully history often repeats itself.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I will spell it out for you then.

If the embittered supposed liberal minded launch attacks on UKIP voters as elderly uneducated white working thickos (see post 54) then surely in that constituency there will be many people who served in ww2, or whose relatives served and died in ww2.

A generation normally that is usually lauded for their fortitude and sacrifice, yet for those exercising their democratic right then for some on this board they aren't worth a light. Lest we forget? I should coco.

He didn't say elderly, he said old working class blue collar, you've made that the dramatic leap that he is talking about WWII veterans. Of course you talking about the embittered liberal minded could equally be talking about just as many veterans as he was!

It is someone's democratic right to criticise someone else's democratic choice. You get that don't you - you must do because in a slight display of hypocrisy you named called back the other way!?

 

[Danny-Boy]

I can't say I agree. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the case. I think it'll all depend on the Lib Dems again, because I can't see there being another absolute majority. The Lib dems got a lot of stick for forming a coalition with the Tories, jumping ship to Labour will once again make everyone question the Lib Dems, could potentially ruin the party as the members begin to desert the party.

That said, it also depends on UKIP's election strategy which from their rhetoric as of late, means targeting Labour. Thursday's by election should send signals that something needs to change in the Labour party. If Labour fail to recognise that, I cannot see Miliband being PM.

On a non-serious discussion note. I dread to think of Miliband as our leader, when has done so poorly as he has done leading his own party.



Admittedly, I can't say I can find fault with what they're asking the French to do. The French, so pro-EU and federalist are the ones who appear to be dragging the EU down due to its failed Socialist economic policies that I think for the sake of the continent, we need to start bullying the French again into action.

Interesting to compare the fate of the LibDems with that of the FDP in former West Germany. They were a third force and from memory did enter a coalition with the SDP (Socialists) and then the CDU/CSU (Cons) but I think got squashed and then wiped out by the rise of the Greens. Could that happen here?

 

[BadFish]

Can we ask at least agree that once there is an in out referendum and it is decided once and for all that we no longer need so many of these threads?