I am not sure I believe this, I am not sure I dont believe this.
Scumbag company v scumbag government.
They voted Truss in as leader. Given the choice, I suspect they’d do the same during the next Tory leadership contest (in about a year) if offered the same ‘tax cut’ promise. They are too old to change or admit they were wrong about the Lettuce.While I agree with you that the path back to acceptability for the Conservative Party is to regain their “we’re moderate and chummy” face a la Cameron, I think the issue now is that the electorate knows what lurks beneath.
All the while there’s a Rees-Mogg, an Anderson, and Braverman, Truss, Patel et al lurking behind whatever new face they find, the Conservative Party are not sound.
I am honestly not detecting any appetite to lose those individuals at present, in fact the clamour from card carrying members appears to be to remould the party in their image.
I will absolutely vote against Labour at some point, every government goes stale, but I do wonder if the Conservatives have done so much damage this time that the electorate has genuinely had enough of them. However chummy they get.
I am not going to disagree with you that there was an element of accidental recovery, i.e. the forced devaluation brought a number of fortuitous benefits, and the Tories were seen as a totally spent force with no ideas. The damage from the recession in 1990 then the calamity of Black Wednesday made it unlikely that they could be trusted to run the economy. Their credibility was shot, but ironically at the point where they had managed to more than steady the ship.Perhaps in a “numbers” sense it was, but my overriding memory of that period was a lot of empty shops until about 12 months after Labour were in power.
I also think it’s possible to do so much damage to an economy that there’s no more downside available, any underlying assets are already trading at a discount to their true value.
Praising the Conservative Party for the economy recovering after Black Wednesday is a bit like praising a drunk driver for rolling his car the right way up after he’s slid it upside down through a class of schoolchildren.
It is amazing what ten years in Opposition can do to bring a party, who wants to regain power, back to its senses.While I agree with you that the path back to acceptability for the Conservative Party is to regain their “we’re moderate and chummy” face a la Cameron, I think the issue now is that the electorate knows what lurks beneath.
All the while there’s a Rees-Mogg, an Anderson, and Braverman, Truss, Patel et al lurking behind whatever new face they find, the Conservative Party are not sound.
I am honestly not detecting any appetite to lose those individuals at present, in fact the clamour from card carrying members appears to be to remould the party in their image.
I will absolutely vote against Labour at some point, every government goes stale, but I do wonder if the Conservatives have done so much damage this time that the electorate has genuinely had enough of them. However chummy they get.
It is amazing what ten years in Opposition can do to bring a party who wants to regain power back to its senses.
I wonder what party you will vote for if you ever get get fed up with Labour.
I think it unlikely that either of the main parties ‘lose their marbles’ for ever.
Labour had to cleanse themselves of the Corbyn disaster and the Tories will do likewise during a much needed suitable period in Opposition. It is obviously no good for democracy to have only one party in power for ever and it is in the country’s interest to have a strong Opposition whichever party is in power.
Genuine question from a first time caller:They voted Truss in as leader. Given the choice, I suspect they’d do the same during the next Tory leadership contest (in about a year) if offered the same ‘tax cut’ promise. They are too old to change or admit they were wrong about the Lettuce.
The Conservatives won’t change until their membership does. I imagine it needs a decade or so for the vast majority of them to die off.
The current term of Conservative government has been quite revealing and why I'll never vote them as long as I live. I always thought the far right element of Conservatives were only a handful of loons while most of them stood for well meaning Conservative values, yet far too many of them happily jumped on the populist bandwagon and they quickly shape-shifted into UKIP driven purely by ideology and ministers had to become propagandistsThey voted Truss in as leader. Given the choice, I suspect they’d do the same during the next Tory leadership contest (in about a year) if offered the same ‘tax cut’ promise. They are too old to change or admit they were wrong about the Lettuce.
The Conservatives won’t change until their membership does. I imagine it needs a decade or so for the vast majority of them to die off.
Genuine question from a first time caller:
What does a young conservative look like these days?
Like this:
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Your brother might suggest this is more of an accurate description…
You beat ItsPotG to googling Labour this time
You’re wrong, even those with shiny detached houses in Hove Park & indeed Westdene/Withdean with Porsche and BMW cars parked on the Bloc Pave have had enough….
Brexit changed everything didn't it?The current term of Conservative government has been quite revealing and why I'll never vote them as long as I live. I always thought the far right element of Conservatives were only a handful of loons while most of them stood for well meaning Conservative values, yet far too many of them happily jumped on the populist bandwagon and they quickly shape-shifted into UKIP driven purely by ideology and ministers had to become propagandists
They will have to drain the swamp of all the headbangers while in opposition and go back to basics
Brexit changed everything didn't it?
They were always a party I disagreed with ideologically, but I respected them as a group of people who had a different idea than I did for improving our country.
Then 2016 happened. Then the purges, now we're seeing what a party and country looks like when the UKIP populist right is at the wheel
Yet despite everything, no UK party other than the Greens is preparing to talk about it.Votes Brexit and Boris and yet still believes he is being stitched up by
Fair enough, but unless our electoral system undergoes radical reform, and given that you will never vote Conservative, and are fed up with a ‘stale’ Labour, but want at least an outside chance of being elected, your choices will be sorely limited.Time will tell. As to which party I’ll be voting for when Labour inevitably go stale, it will be whichever party seems:
a) least “bought and sold”
b) capable of governing responsibly
c) “long-termist” in terms of their thinking.
d) has at least an outside chance of being elected.
However, the current Conservative master plan of:
1. Cut taxes
2. ?
3. Success!
Isn’t one that I will ever subscribe to or vote for. We’ve all seen where it leads, it leads to nothing good.
Fair enough, but unless our electoral system undergoes radical reform, and given that you will never vote Conservative, and are fed up with a ‘stale’ Labour, but want at least an outside chance of being elected, your choices will be sorely limited.
Yes, I've always been anti-Tory, because I see them as always on the side of the rich against ordinary people, on the side of bosses against workers, tax-dodgers against welfare claimants, and on the side of landlords against tenants.Brexit changed everything didn't it?
They were always a party I disagreed with ideologically, but I respected them as a group of people who had a different idea than I did for improving our country.
Then 2016 happened. Then the purges, now we're seeing what a party and country looks like when the UKIP populist right is at the wheel